Eh, I like Belladonna a lot better than Nightshade, the name Nightshade just reminds me of uk Gladiators.
Just because we know what it stands for, doesn’t mean others won’t surmise otherwise.
Those people would be wrong though. Being ignorant is no excuse.
Hmmm, an idea just crossed my mind. What if Ultratech captured and attempted to weaponize orchid? Like a weapon X sort of program.
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Well… something like that seems to already be hinted at in the KI novels…
Your first reason was sound, but the last two made no sense. Number 2 would contradict the existence of Kilgore, and Number 3 just sounds like you’re against it because it’s become a popular vote amongst the community. There’s nothing wrong with people loving Orchid.
Kilgore is also a clone character, like Shadow Orchid would be and Shadow Jago is, just not in the same sense as those.
Listen up guys, Fulgore’s shadow is Kilgore. Thunder’s shadow is Eagle. Orchid’s shadow is JOANNA DARK.
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No way. Why do you think Thunder’s shadow is Eagle?..
Why wouldn’t Thunder’s shadow be Eagle? He’s been searching for him all this time.
Fulgore takes after eagle so he’s likely going to be similar to the him.
So you say that Eagle will be ANOTHER Fulgore clone… let’s hope not.
They problem is now though…once Shadow Orchid has been mentioned…she can never be unmentioned…
It reminds me of how in Marvel super heroes vs street fighter, there was a secret boss clone character called “Shadow” who was basically a buffed Nash/Charlie from Xmen vs street fighter (the previous marvel vs game), and in Marvel Vs Capcom 1, there was a boss character called “Shadow Lady” that was a shadow of chunli with some crazy super gundam robot missile attacks.
They are notorious and will go down in history…so will the legend of Shadow Orchid XD
He probably won’t have lasers or a teleport. If you drop the hitech shenanigans. He’ll likely be different.
Probably more so like Mira than Shago.
Why does Thunder looking for his brother equate to his brother being his shadow? Couldn’t they still be completely unique, different characters?
I’m hoping that Eagle’s not a remix of any character. I get that Eagle’s fighting style in the lore sparked the design for Fulgore. I respect that, so maybe a few nods to Fulgore, like certain mannerisms, would be a nice touch. But Eagle is arguably the biggest lore character left. To have him be a shadow or a remix or whatever, of any other character… Yeah I don’t like that idea.
If they go ahead and do it, I’ll at least hope that they do it well. But just as a concept, before seeing anything look or gameplay related, I don’t love the idea on the surface and would hope that they go a different, more unique route instead.
I’ve honestly expected him to be a remix since I first heard of him (I just started learning about KI lore this year, mind you). Once we had evidence that the playable Fulgore unit ISN’T actually Eagle, I’ve been waiting for the semi-Thunder/Fulgore clone to hit the roster. I’m honestly still pretty convinced that Eagle is gonna show up sharing Fulgore and Thunder’s buttons, with his own handful of animations where cost allows. Unpopular opinion, but in general I’m a fan of remixes.
Recycling animations can go a really really long way in a fighting game, considering time and budgetary constraints. If they can actually expand the roster with three examples of unique gameplay, and perhaps introduce a fresh character mechanic or so, then my hat is off to them. Fulgore has a handful of good animations that would look cool and sensible from a Thunder-esque frame, though, like his st.HK, sweep>launch, and cr.HP. Some others could look good as well (such as f.HP or Blade Dash) but would be in poor taste, as they are already making cameos in another remix. They could even rework Thunder’s [3P] into a more compelling and focused mechanic, which would be neat. That animation is criminally underused.
All of this is not to say I don’t wish the Magic Money and Effort Faerie would visit them one fortuitous night, cuz they’ve been such wonderful game-developers this year - I just don’t believe in the faefolk.
And I’m always against rehashing a rehash - no reason for Shorchid for do the whole “blue-skinned-demon-possession” thing - for clarity.
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No problem man, like what you like. 
I also enjoy the remixes, as it gives us a new take on an existing character. I think Shago looks cool and he’s also insanely fun to use. Kilgore seems really fun as well.
I’m just saying that as a lore character, it’d be kinda cool if he were more his own thing, even with the obvious influences. I’d prefer that to a remix in this particular situation, but if they made him a remix instead? I’d be okay so long as he looked cool and played well.
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I see where you’re coming from, and given his legacy I can’t disagree that he sort of “deserves” to be his own thing. On the other hand though, he has already influenced so much of the lore that has a direct impact on gameplay, and sorta visa-versa (in that some gameplay has strong implications for his lore). I also don’t see much issue in the frame recycling, considering he is Thunder’s brother. They are almost doomed to sort of look alike (though they may end up having totally different body types and I hope faces, who knows!?) but I think I might be a little disappointed if the uninitiated couldn’t look at Eagle and ask themselves is he is Thunder’s brother. I know they aren’t twins, but still… and before anyone counters w/ our extant siblings, they are half-siblings of different genders of which one wears a mask, nobody should expect such levels of similitude from them (Jago & Orchid).
I guess what I’m getting at is Eagle is actually a case where I think we can have our cake AND touch the icing - I don’t think it’d be too difficult for them to “remix” such animations and models and voicework (that’s gonna be the kicker) so as to result in what is technically a remix but looks and feels very much like a brand new character, like “his own thing” as it were. If it’s doable at all, it’s doable with Eagle, and I really hope that was their thought process too.
@TheKeits
I think I speak for a whole heap of us when I express appreciation for introducing “Remix” into our FG archetypal lexicon. It fits places where “clone” sounds both untrue and insulting w/o being either, and it gives me a reason to use a tasty word that usually means “music I wish I hadn’t suffered through”. Thanks a billion, pally. You’ve always got our best interest in mind. 
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Ey, since Eagle and Thunder are brothers, let’s make Eagle the shadow Thunder!!
Also,since Orchid and Jago are siblings,let’s rework Jago into Shadow Orchid!
Everybody wins!!!
*Sarcasm ends here
NO
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Very true. I see this, from a lore perspective, as a very good reason why there should be some form of nod or commonality between Thunder-Eagle-Fulgore. Maybe Eagle gets Thunder’s phoenix projectile, maybe he uses the phrase that Thunder uses during triplax for a different attack.
I also think that certain mannerisms between Fulgore and Eagle could be shared to help emphasize that influence, like maybe Eagle holds his fist out in a similar way to Fulgore for his taunt. Maybe they share similar animations for a few of their normals, etc.
As far as looks go, I could see Eagle having similar facial features to Thunder. That makes sense. Eyes, jaw line, etc. But I wouldn’t want them to share the same body unless they want to come right out and say that they’re identical twins.
I think that’s very possible, I agree, but just because they have that opportunity, does that automatically mean IG should take it? I mean, I guess it comes down to how much of a “remix” character Eagle would be, right?
If he’s just Thunder’s body, with different accessories and shrunken down, using Fulgore’s rig, and he basically has a few of Thunder’s moves and few of Fulgore’s moves, with one or two of his own thrown in there… I can’t say I’m for that idea. Not on someone that means so much to the lore.
But if they can give him a largely unique look and move set, with only some nods and reused animations here and there that help denote his influences as well as who he’s influenced? I think that’d be a great idea.
I think the easiest way to summarize that is by saying that there’s a line between being an original character with some influences and a remix character with some individuality. Where is that line? Who honestly knows. It’s different for everyone, I’m sure, especially in a case like this where you really want them to have some influences from a lore standpoint.
I think it’ll be interesting to see what they do with him, especially considering the fact that his background is listed as boxing and wrestling, if I’m not mistaken. I feel like I saw that somewhere. I’d be curious to know how any of that would influence Fulgore or be influenced by Thunder, so who knows. Maybe they go in an entirely different direction with him.
Either way, whatever they decide, I’ll be happy to have him in this game as a playable character.
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