Ahhhhhh Lolololololol! That was funny!
The only reason I’d upgrade my original Xbox One console is if it broke. Also, I could finally play (all) games in full 1080p. I’m not investing in a 4k TV since all of my movies are in 1080p and I just don’t care about the added resolution.
I like talking about how awesome my TV is…it’s 3D…it’d be nice if media companies (including game developers) would still support them…and I’m still waiting for The Force Awakens to be released in 3D…
This console is going to be amazing. The neo isn’t impressive at all imo aparently it’s in production
3D is a long-dead medium at this point. Nowadays, it’s about VR, which is TRULY immersive, unlike your 3D counter-part.
Really? 360 people got left behind real quick. 2 years after the one, they stopped making 360 games. It looks like the X1 is going to have a real short life cycle.
I noticed that he kept saying “'X1 items will work on it”. That being said I assume that it is another console completely, meaning it will have its own games and equipment?
From a technical standpoint…they’re the exact same thing…it’s just giving you stereoscopic input so you have some sense of depth…only one you stand up, spin around, and knock over stuff as you flail your arms around and the other you sit back on your couch, drink a soda and not worry about nausea. 
It’s tough to argue that 3D isn’t (oops, sorry about that - I had to edit this because it said the opposite) dead. But I’m not convinced that VR is ever really going to be a thing. First of all, the only case for it right now is hype - and 3D TV’s had a similar amount of hype. When it came time to actually consume content, no one did. Why? The consumer reviews suggested that no one wanted to buy the glasses and no one wanted to wear them while watching TV. Keep in mind that it it’s peak, 3D goggles cost a fraction of what a VR headset costs, weighs a fraction of what it weighs and isolates you from the world a fraction of the way VR does. I have tried a VR demo. It’s very cool. For five minutes. For free.
If VR is going to succeed, we are going to need
- People to buy very expensive hardware, additional expensive hardware to run it
- People to both have and arrange an appropriate space for their VR experience
- Wear goggles on their head for more than a couple of minutes at a time without getting sick
- Do all of these things in enough volume to reduce the price, grow the content libraries and allow people to make money.
Number 1 Is not new or different, so it can be done as long as people are properly interested. Tons of people bought 3D tvs. I’m more worried about 2 and 3. If you are going to properly setup and adjust your sensors and then have a dedicated space where you can turn around in 360 degrees to see the writing on the wall behind you, that isn’t going to be a college dorm, apartment or even most people’s homes. This is going to be tougher to do, in my opinion, than people think. And then you will be tripping over stuff and walking around. If you are doing VR sitting in a chair, then how much VR will you be doing? You are limited to experiences where you are sitting in a chair (racing, flight sims etc.). Which will be great, but will it sell VR to the masses? Add to this that it’s a solo experience, unless you want to multiply the cost and you are really excluding the vast majority of the console market. No one is going to buy VR for their 8 year old.
I think VR has a chance to take hold in the PC gaming community - albeit just a slim one, for dudes sitting by themselves in chairs at a desk playing games. But I don’t see VR as being something that is going to effectively move into the console space. I’ve been wrong before, but I just don’t see it.
First, I wouldn’t be quite so tough on MS for abandoning 360. Before the X1 even launched the 360 had the longest life of any game console in history, and they supported it for two more years. Ten years is too long a life span to turn around and say owners got left behind real quick.
Second you are wrong about the games and equipment. Everything that works on X1 will work on Scorpio. Games and controllers. The idea is like iOS or PC. The extras keep working even if you upgrade the hardware. Despite MS’s advertising, the X1 controller is just an iteration of the 360 controller and I don’t think they will have too difficult a time seeing a business model in churning out controllers that work on X1, PC and Scorpio. There really aren’t any competitive 3rd party controllers for X1 in terms of quality and MS is doubling down with their new Elite and “build your own” controller programs. So I’m guessing they’re fine as far as that goes. I would also bet that games will work on X1 for a long time before we see much if anything in the way of “Scorpio only” software. For an idea of why just look at the PC. The minimum specs for most games are always kept as low as they can be. You just lower the resolution, the framerate and turn off some of the graphic effects. The experience will be different, but that’s intended.
I wont be getting a VR set. Its just not practical for my home, family, ect… I personally think it would cause problems within a family. Takes time away from your spouse, kids, the space int eh room, ect…
Its more of a single guys toy.
I am not saying the 360 didn’t have a great run, because it did. I am just saying they started phasing it out the year the X1 came out. I am just trying to figure out if it is its own device, or just a better X1 with VR support. Of course that is saying that it even releases on time.
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I don’t know about you, but my wife would go ape ■■■■, if I put on VR glasses and played games and ignored the room.
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Mine wouldn’t go ape ■■■■ but she would def be upset… hell I l already have a tough time juggling regular play time and family time. Luckily Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 are so awesome she wont let me play either with out her present. She is like my helper, she notices things that I dont see and helps me with where to go ect…
She likes KI too…so thats cool.
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It sounds trivial, but I think @SadisticRage76 and @FallofSeraphs76 are pointing out a big barrier for VR. Even when you are single player gaming you are rarely gaming alone. They say the average age of a gamer is 30 something, and I’m guessing a lot of those people game with kids or spouses coming in and out of the room. Pausing while you take your VR headset off to go get a cookie is going to make big dent in that immersive realism. But who has the time to go off on their own to game? I can’t even keep up with Game of Thrones.
So I think the overlap between people who can afford VR and people who have time to use it is going to be really small. I actually think MS is playing it smart by kind of waiting to see it develop. The graphics hardware won’t change, but I don’t really know that I would want to be designing VR hardware as a business model.
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I must have the cool wife…she wouldn’t mind if I spent a bit of time in VR. I already have a Gear VR, not that it’s that expansive, but what I have played she hasn’t minded. That being said I’m the type of player that doesn’t get so engrossed so as to completely ignore everything and everyone around me, even with VR.
I know this might sound bad, but for all the hype of blue ray vs DVD, I can’t tell the difference, and yes I have the correct hookups and tv to do it.
I guess 4K TVs replaced the 3d tvs that everyone needed to have because they were new.
What is the big deal with 4K anyway? I am not bashing anyone who has one, but they don’t support much at the moment.
I actually think 4K is more relevant for gaming. If you have a 65 inch TV you can definitely see a quality improvement. And if you are sitting very close to a big monitor, like you would on a traditional PC setup you can see the difference too. But we are talking about a very incremental improvement.
I’m not sure that it’s ever going to become the dominant format, but the transition will be much more seamless than from SD to HD because it is backward compatible and it will upscale 1080p content. Right now, 4K TVs are selling for what 1080p TV’s sold for two years ago. I got a nice one at 55 inches for well under $1000. In 2006 I paid $2500 for a 40 inch, 720p flat screen that weighed four times as much and was twice as thick (and still works, for what it’s worth). So, it’s just one of those things that people will keep improving over time. But storage is becoming a limiting factor. Blu Rays have trouble with all the data. Streaming services are offering 4K content but it’s not clear how much visual quality is being lost to compression etc. in the name of pushing more pixels.
I suspect soon it is going to go the way of the digital camera. Anyone know how many megapixels are in their camera anymore? No, because it stopped being the nmost accurate measure of picture quality once they passed about 4 MP.
I won’t be getting one unless it takes off to the point of being a necessity to play my favorite games. Maybe I am just starting to get old but I don’t want to have to strap something to my head that covers my vision to play a video game. I just want to plug it up to a t.v and play like we have been for years lol
Anyone else think it was kinda weird that they announced the specs already? I mean, what if Sony sees what MS has, says “oh crap, the Neo isn’t that powerful. Let’s take it back to the drawing board” or “let’s add this or that” and then Scorpio and Neo come out and MS still has the weaker console? Unless Sony can’t afford to do that or can’t sell the Neo for what MS can sell the Scorpio at, it just seems like an unnecessary gamble on MS’ part.
Sony, in my opinion, has pretty much led from the back on most of its decisions dating back to the PSone. Sega began CD based consoles and they basically made a Saturn that was easier to program for and went after every third party they could. That was smart.
MS creates Xbox Live, and Sony follows suit with PSN, but doesn’t tack on an annual fee (in the beginning). Smart. Nintendo got the ball rolling on motion controls and Sony followed suit, but invested less in to it so they weren’t making an entire console based around it. Also smart. Sony sees that VR is coming and follows suit. About the only thing they really went out on a limb for was Blu-Ray technology and their company already had it. That was more or less a no-brainer.
I’m not calling them out for this wait-and-see / bandwagon approach, nor am I praising them for it. I’m not saying they even do this all the time, but I do think that they have a history of it, and MS just tipped their hand. Could that turn out to be an issue down the road?
As for the system itself… Depending on the price and the graphical difference, if I can keep all of my current games and transfer all content, downloaded games, apps, etc from XB1 to Scorpio? I’d do it. Not sure if I’d jump in right away, as MS course corrected so much stuff from the launch (ditching Kinect for the most part, price drop, etc) that part of me would rather wait and see.
But… I’m always terrible at doing that. Only thing I waited on was the Wii-U and I still wound up buying one, which hasn’t exactly been the best investment outside of a few great games. 
Speaking of which… Anyone wonder how NX might stack up against Scorpio and Neo? I wonder if Nintendo’s looking at all of those Scorpio floppy flops and thinking “ah man! We can’t catch a break!”
The thought occurred to me. But I’m not sure that “best pixels” and 6 teraflops is going to be enough of a spec to let them do much.