No…Because I’m willing to pay more money to get stuff that most of the community agrees on. Attacking devs is very bad form though.
I didn’t get to see the chat, but I watched a few matches and even the host was commenting about how bad the chat was. At one point he stopped commentary on matches until people calmed down.
Here’s the reality.
Killer Instinct is the first fighting game where the people in charge of balance and bugs actively engage with the fans. It’s as new to the developers as it is to the fans. If you want to go play a game that is “take it or leave it”, every single other fighting game in the history of the genre, both past and present, is available to you.
Engaging with the developers in this way is a privilege. Maybe you have to be 15 year veteran of the FGC to understand just how lucky we are to have an English-speaking dev that cares even one whit about what we think. But if we squander this opportunity, both as the KI community and as the fighting game community, I think it will be quite a long time until we get another one like it.
Just because you are a top player doesn’t mean your opinions on game balance are automatically correct. Top players in many games have been notoriously wrong on eventual game balance, and because they have a stake in the characters they play, they can often struggle to see the big picture.
However, it also doesn’t mean your opinions are automatically incorrect. Indeed, being good at the game and seeing matchups and tech at a high level means your opinion is valuable to the devs. But (and here’s the important part): you have to foster a positive relationship with the devs for that to matter at all. It doesn’t matter what “most of the community” seems to want if all the people on that side of the issue can’t get their ■■■■ together with respect to basic human decency.
Even if KI made the most egregious balance mistake of all time and it was up to the community to convince the devs to save the game from itself, why would they listen to any of us if we are loud, obnoxious, and rude, not only to them but sometimes to fellow players and fans too? You don’t get yourself heard just by being right. You get yourself heard by being kind, courteous, open to meaningful discussion without ad hominems, and understanding that sometimes you might just disagree with the developers but they get the ultimate say. If you conduct yourself in THIS way, you might find yourself being heard more often in the future, because you are proving you have the game’s best interests in mind, and not just your own. Internally, you might think “I do have the game’s best interests in mind”, but you aren’t proving it. Actions and intentions are different things.
You are welcome to continue to blame Keits, the staff at IG/MS, or whoever you want for why the game isn’t the best you personally think it can be. But if you’re going to approach it this way, the devs will (justifiably) distance themselves from the community, and this opportunity for a fostering relationship between devs and fans will dry up, if it hasn’t already.
In the meantime, feel free to go play SFV and continue to get 0 contact or feedback from anybody at Capcom who has any control over the game, just like it’s always been. If you want KI to go in that direction too, we as a community are doing a fantastic job of that.
I’m just disgusted. After growing up with no way of contacting devs for my favorite games and having no voice at all, we have such a unique opportunity here to engage with the developers and some of these armchair developers can’t help but sling ■■■■ from the cheap seats.
I don’t care if you’re a pro. I don’t care if you’ve been playing since season one or the old games or if you’re a “true fan” or you think you know this game backwards and forwards, better than Keits and all the other devs working tirelessly to make this an enjoyable experience for all of us (not just you and your main), you do NOT get to treat other people this way. Not devs, not pros, not casuals, not MS people or IG people who make all of this possible in the ■■■■■■■ first place.
You want to act like a scumbag and run good people like Adam Heart out of here with your buligerance, your bullying and your BS, I’d humbly ask that you return to whatever garbage community you slithered in from and harass those people, because this shouldn’t be us. This shouldn’t be how we treat people who want to have a dialog with us.
Respect is something most children learn. Most of us are adults who should know this already. Most of us here are good people who do. We have a dialog. We voice our appreciation and our concerns where appropriate. I hope we can all learn from this and learn to be better as a community.
Really, I’m only directing this at those who need to hear it. Please, please listen. Please do not ruin this for the rest of us. Please don’t make this a community the game’s own developers have to shield themselves from.
I saw Keits update and now I want to see this chat.
Is it in archives? Which one?
A lot of people are salty from other games as well, and I want to see if it was players of KI or just random fanboys or overwatch/ etc who just wanted to be rude and nasty while the devs were trying to give a generous stream.
If anyone has the direct link,please post thanks
A time stamp for the archive would be nice.
Me and @RGLOfficial plan on making a discussion video on the state of the KI community tomorrow. These points you guys are bringing up could be useful in our discussion.
Can we see the chat again? I thought that was with a certain program.
It pretty much started as the stream started. As soon as Keits popped in people started bothering him for nerfs, after about an hour it got really bad.
Quite frankly, I think some of the people who could and should be the best spokepeople for the game have become unbearably toxic to it.
If you aren’t having fun, then go play something else where you actually enjoy yourself - don’t waste your and our time only popping in to ■■■■■ in chat and air your litany of grievances. I can’t imagine it’s fun for you, and it sure as hell isn’t fun for the rest of us. I watch my streams in fullscreen most of the time now, because I really can’t be bothered to check in with the chat and listen to all the moaning and whinging about “IG never listens” or how Keits is a terrible person. I’d rather have a small community that actually loves their game than something larger where all players do is ■■■■■ and hate on the thing they claim to enjoy.
Seriously - if you don’t actually like KI, then you really are not in any way obligated to keep on playing/watching it. If all it brings you is angst and annoyance, then find something more fulfilling to spend your time on.
I think it’s automatically programmed into twitch now, so it should just work if you load up the archive.
Pro League Week 3? I’m watching the past broadcast and I don’t have an option to see the chat.
I have a lot in mind I want to say about this. But unfortunately as we’ve seen here on the forums, some of the most stubborn fans are also some of the most vocal. I’m sad its come to a point where a developer who started out asking for community input is now taking a break from it. That is something, guys.
I agree Dooby, it’s not a good thing.
Anytime a Dev takes a break from ANY communication with the community, it’s a bad sign, IMO. It’s crazy to even think that. I watch most streams with KI. The chat that is in some streams makes me want to sit in silence in a dark room with “The Sound of Silence” by Simon & Garfunkel playing in the background.
And it’s the same complaints over and over. Not even some new ideas, just more Acid being spewed out to everyone. I have NEVER met a team with so much passion for a game, and willing to have a Dev/Community relationship with us. In fact, that’s one of the reasons I love this game. I don’t chat anymore in the streams. I can never get to talk to anyone, as my chat post gets lost in The Sea of Disapproval.
We as a community have the GREATEST privilege of ANY fighting game I’ve ever seen. We cannot squander this chance.
Just because you are a “true fan” or “Pro”, doesn’t give you the green light to antagonize and belittle everyone on the stream and in the community because they share different views or such. I’ve seen many streams, where some Pros character gets nerfed, and they go on a rant and say he is terrible and dead.
I will never forget one pro streamer that literally belittled someone on stream. Told him that he knew what he was talking about, because he had 600+ hours with the character, that the character was dead, and that no one cared. Even showed the leaderboards and said, "I know what I’m talking about. Untill you prove to me that this character is still good, then I don’t give a damn what you say. (Something along those lines). Then I believe that person that asked the question got banned.
Even the “true fans” that complain about [Insert Character] isn’t the same from the old games. Or the character sucks because of their clothes and such.
“Combo breakers aren’t the same from the old games, so I’ll spew negativity at the Devs to fix it.” Stuff like that.
That is unacceptable, and will turn people away from KI in a heartbeat.
We need to fix this soon guys. And this isn’t for all of you. Some of you in the community are the coolest people I’ve ever known. Some of the most positive people too, willing to support this game until the end. But Negativity travels fast, and it takes only a couple handful of people to ruin it for all of us.
I’ve already lost a couple of KI friends because of the negativity in the community. I’m not willing to lose the game’s support and the rest of the community too.
Not much for fancy words or discussion, but I’d like to thank the developers for making KI such a great game. First fighting game since SF2 way back that I’ve played for this long and enjoyed this much
Th…th…thats all folks!
I woke this morning with alot of responses to this topic. Unfortunately it seems the devs listening to us is a double edged sword.
While it’s great they listen to us, you get people who abuse the level of trust the devs.
I’m not at all surprised keits has decided to take a back seat. All he wanted to do was watch some matches and all he got was yapped at.
So it’s seems that the topic title has been answered in sorts. Yes we are spoilt and a certain few ruin it for everyone
As much as I think this is a good idea, I’ve already started doing this as well for the Killer Instinct Community Guide (no, the project isn’t dead just hasn’t been updated in a while and I’ve started to put together what I can). I am willing to offer the glossary section of the guide to those willing to contribute terminology and definitions and credit will be given where requested.
If people are interested in this, PM me with the term and definition so as not to derail this thread
We pay them money and we want to get what we have paid for, I dont see anything wrong in it. NRS is ■■■■. I was MK fan since MK1, but WB/NRS duo is ruining this franchise with their shady business practices, tons of DLC, microtransactions, lack fo communication and guest characters nobody wanted.
Lets not forget about leaving PC community with broken outdated port. ■■■■■ WB/NRS to the last moment.
And that’s fine and all. Criticism is encouraged to help the game improve. No game is perfect after all.
However, that’s still no excuse to start bitching and moaning to the devs with no civility just to get what you want. Life does not work that way and it only causes more problems. Keep it constructive! Like the others above me said, the amount of communication between the fans and the devs is a major privilege. Let’s not waste it please.
This is what I learned from rewatching that chat “Every character is OP. Every character needs buffs. Every character ruined/broke the game.” Thats some top tier discussion going on. I will say its just a handful of people being as loud as humanly possible with their grievances. Maybe if you could form some sort of coherent and detailed suggestions to the devs as opposed to “THIS GAME SUX” or “This Character blows” they might take you seriously. Be thankful people like Keits actually give a damn about what he’s helped create and aren’t just in it for a payday like most game devs these days.
Yes we’ve paid our money and we’re getting Saudi content. But demanding buffs, nerfs and what not is not part of said content.
Devs don’t have to listen to us a la capcom. Devs have a life too. If they wanna watch their work being played they should be able to without cry babies demanding crap.
It’s not on at all and because of this one of the most involved guys has decided to take a step back.
That now means the devs have taken a step back from us as a community. Again a few wrecking things for the masses.