Too Good To Be True

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The latter half of this thread has largely been you trying to dictate the terms of your help. Again, you are the one who needs help, which means you’re the one asking to be done a solid. It’s nice if people decide to oblige you (and your request is certainly more productive than the full-side rejections of assistance that comprised the first half of this thread), but really they are under no obligation to do so. If they decide to help you in exactly the manner you demand, then it is purely out of the goodness of their hearts - they owe you nothing, and you are largely not in a position to demand anything.

I didn’t say it before, but my practice matches with the player I mentioned mostly consist of me mollywhopping him for 10 straight games or until the set is done, with only periodic pauses for me to send terse messages along the lines of “anti-air - don’t let me jump in for free” and similar things. He’s a great sport about it, but I can’t imagine it’s super fun. But he wants to get better, so he’s willing to sit there and let me poke as many holes in his game as I can find in 10 matches, all the while sending short missives to tell him to start or stop doing something. I’m sure he’d like to take some games from me, but I’m competitive and don’t like losing, and turn up the heat whenever I think he might take a game off me.

One day this player will take a game from me though, and then he’ll take two, and then he’ll beat my Jago. And then I’ll switch to Sako and we’ll start all over again. But he will be improving throughout that whole process, and as he levels up and earns those wins he will begin to find and prosecute the holes in my game, and we will level up together. Getting better isn’t always about having oodles of fun and getting things the exact way you want them - sometimes you’re just putting your nose to the grindstone so that you can get to the point where you’re able to play freely.

Good. That is the attitude you should have.

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Yes, as I said it certainly can be done and pro players who do paid coaching do this all the time.

But consider this, what is exactly the problem you’re having? Do you already know how to fix the issue but get nervous and can’t do what is required or you still haven’t figured out what to do?

If it’s the latter then having someone watch your replays will help, because most probably your analysis is either incomplete or incorrect. They can analyse your gameplay more deeply and give a better answer as to why you can’t improve in that area.

If you already know how to fix the issue then you just need a sparring partner - someone to simulate the situation over and over so you can do the correct answer 1000x until you fix the problem. In that case asking for a sparring partner to address an specific issue might help, for example:

“Hey folks, I’m having problems getting close to a fireball happy Shago that just keeps my Aganos at full screen distance all the time. I figured I should just be patient, throw some light payload assaults, build meter and get closer to a good distance before trying a shadow ruin or a crouching HK if I’m close enough but no matter how much I try I get nervous and end up throwing full screen shadow ruins that get blocked because my opponent baited them. Can a good Shago practice this matchup with me so I can get rid of this bad habit?”

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No KI fight more entertaining than watching GG fight with his ego :stuck_out_tongue:

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Could always face me, been a while since our last match and my neutral game makes you work.

Granted, I’m not the best player, but I’m sure I can help you gain insight with my type of play-style.

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I played a FT4 against @GalacticGeek to try the “replay approach”. I will upload it later.

This is my suggestion:
-We watch the video
-You (Geek) give us your opinion, your analysis of the set.
-After that, we give you our analysis, to compare if there are differences

As result, you will be aware of more key events of the set, and you could learn from it and improve your gameplay

Ggs

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@GalacticGeek Maybe you should do what I’m doing.

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Hey guys, if I upload those 7 or matches could you help me? There was this one person using kan ra and they were just kicking my az and dancing around me dude, so lame.

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Yep. We would.

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Yep. If you are doing so, I would recommend to do it on another thread. I will create it

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Yeah, we would even with one upload. Don’t give up so easily. You have a forum that doesn’t want anyone to give up. We all want to help you improve, strive to get better. I’ve NEVER seen a forum as loving and open-armed as ours.

THIS, is the reason why people say we are the best FG Community. We all want people to unlock their true potential. That’s why it seems people are always leveling up fast. We are willing to help regardless.

Looking forward to those matches!

@Dayv0, make the thread universal. Call it…

The Replay and Analysis Thread. From there, people can upload sets they felt like they didn’t do well in, and the community can come and give feedback. :slight_smile:

Up to you though. :smiley:

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300 mbps? I have 800kbps, damm

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Don’t want to belabor a point too much, but wanted to give just a few extra points:

Think about how chess players improve their game. Even though chess is a slow-paced game with minutes of thinking in between moves, players who are beginner and want to improve to intermediate must watch replays of their old games (or replays of better players). Simply playing a ton of games and trying to learn “on the fly” is not good enough to actually improve beyond a beginner.

Why is this? Because, during a replay, you do not have the stresses or constraints of a real match. You do not have a clock and an opponent waiting for your move. You can take the chess position to a computer program and get them to advise you on what the best move was. You can try different moves at key points, then play the rest of the match against the computer to see if you would have done better. Even if you are playing a “casual” chess game against an advanced player and he sees a move you do that’s bad, then explains why and lets you take it back (which is kind of the analogous situation to “casual sparring” matches in a fighting game), this is not enough to fully analyze the situation. The mindset of a person playing a real match is far different than the mindset of someone watching a video or reading a forum post.

If you have seen my analysis videos from Bass’s channel, you can see (I hope) the value of doing a replay analysis. I will literally pause the video at a crucial interaction (something you can’t do in a real KI match) and I will talk for like 1 minute about what is going on. I will explain the mindsets of both players. Then, sometimes I will even go into training mode and recreate the situation on stream and test different answers. None of this is possible by playing sparring matches.

Geek, I’ve watched a few of the humorous clips of bugs/punching people through 4 walls that you’ve posted in various threads over the last year or more, and even in those 15 second clips, I can identify some pretty serious areas where you could improve (at the time). I can promise you that the people you play against who beat you regularly don’t need to do research into your strategies to see this. They will play with you for 5 seconds, notice exactly these things that I noticed, and then use them against you without you even knowing it. And none of it is related to lag or bad execution … though sometimes that will affect a match, if you constantly blame your losses on that sort of thing, you will only hamper your ability to improve. Even if 100% of your matches are horribly laggy (which I highly doubt, or else you would not still be playing this game), there are things you can learn about your own play that aren’t related to lag, if you are willing to do a proper analysis, or have someone else do it for you.

But the answer, if you want to be more than just a beginner/intermediate player, is to just simply not hide your head in the ground and pretend every time you get hit it’s someone else’s fault, or the only way to improve is to run sets with people who you can beat. Even if you are willing to play a long set against a strong player and willing to open yourself up to the pain of losing (which nobody finds fun, trust me), and the strong player is willing to stop the match regularly and give you advice (which I imagine is, like, 1 or 2 total players in the entire KI scene), eventually there is only so much you can learn from doing that. And this has nothing to do with your preferred learning habits as a student.

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Ok, I already uploaded the set.
https://account.xbox.com/es-ES/gameclip/60d57a1c-ee8f-4f93-8eac-313284c707bf?gamertag=Dayv0&scid=03a80100-9ff3-46ea-be76-e00e7fe465df

I would really appreciate if @Sasuke99I @STORM179 and @Infilament could give their feedback(among others!)

Do not only analyse Geek, also analyse me please. I’m aware of some of my faults, but with your help, I will be aware of even more ^^

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Oh, I’ll make you aware of your faults, all right. Don’t you worry about that.

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Do you want a giant essay per player or a short but simple thoughts.

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Whatever you feel comfortable, but the more information, the better

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I take offense that you called me a beginner/intermediate player, @Infilament. I am an above-average/advanced player, dagnabbit! :rage:

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Geek, please, share your thoughts about the set too

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Here we go again. I’ll post my short thoughts for now but I’ll expand on it later. Just the key pointers.
@GalacticGeek You are too impatient. Block is an amazing tactic. 2-3 grabs hurt less than eating a full combo. You attempted some fancy stuff. Too much in fact. You could’ve killed once but instead went for shadow payload assault. It is a great move but don’t rely on it. Your execution is off as well. You dropped a lot of combos and meaties. Dayv0 went for Shadow Lighting strike a few times(whatever it is called) but it isn’t invincible so you could’ve beat it if you meatied properly.

@Dayv0 You did well. You went for the command grab and it worked. You capitalized on it. You used it as what it is. A command grab. Beat blocking opponents but also untechable. That’s good but it is also more than that. It is a battery command grab. It builds pips for Eyedol. You do not use it though. Same thing for teleport. You used it as a teleport. It is more than that. Use your pips and you will be amazing.

Incoming giant MLA essay tomorrow…