In the end, they both have the same outcome - they hurt.
Hurt feelings are not grounds for rational rules judgment.
**flagged by Geek, despite being wholly on topic.
In fact, whether or not emotional response is grounds for affecting the expected tournament decorum IS the topic.
That is not an EXTERNAL means of affecting the game! Lag switching and cheating in that method is literally buying/making EXTRRNAL device and attaching it to a tournament legal game consolein order to affect the game outside of its usual environment. Pressing down a bunch in place does not affect the external hardware/software or the environment either players play in.
Since when is it a concern of the other player to make sure the other player is in a constant state of positive mental focus? In fact the other player should be forced to do this less he face a disqualification??
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I’m just showing my support for the ruling. I think it’s a fine ruling to have. IMO, it’s rather easy to tell a real teabag from an accidental 1, and as others have said before me, I highly doubt that pro players and others at tournament level can make the kind of mistake such as that of an accidental teabag. I don’t even buy some of the examples that Infil gave, such as with fuzzy-blocking. If an opponent is attacking, fuzzy-blocking makes sense. If an opponent is not attacking, that’s where it doesn’t make sense, and is probably a teabag. If a player is at full-screen and inching forward while cautiously stopping every few steps to cautiously block, that’s not teabagging - that’s playing smart and defensively.
I can tell these apart - you’re telling me that a room full of fans, pro players, and tournament judges won’t be able to?
Sure, it’s entirely possible it may be hard to tell in some cases, but I think those specific cases will be exceedingly rare. Also, as others have said, it’s their tournament, not those of the participants or attendees. I’d rather have a ruling that supports good sportsmanship rather than none that promotes anarchy. It may not be full-proof, but no rule is. That’s entirely up to those who are obligated to follow it.
From who? A bunch of people who don’t play KI anyway? A bunch of players who would’ve complained, but still would have come out to try and compete and win money? “Permanent damage to the reputation of the tournament” is a canard - if anything, I saw more people say they were coming to the tournament just to teabag than people who said “nah, I’m no longer interested if I can’t express myself by repeatedly pressing down.”
I think it was a stupid rule, but I’m honestly annoyed. I highly doubt it was a troll, and if Brandon genuinely felt like he wanted to have a rule to promote sportsmanship, then he should have owned it and kept his silly rule to enforce good sportsmanship. By the same token, if all the furor and feedback of the community made him change his mind on the rule, then he should have owned that and said that due to community feedback, xyz. “It was a troll” is a cop out, plain and simple, and doesn’t please anyone. Not the people who feel like their sacred right to express themselves by being ■■■■■ in a videogame was being trampled on, not the people who think teabagging is a scourge that must be eradicated, and not the myriad observers to the whole affair who saw a TO either crack on a genuine belief about how his tournament should be run or who decided to pointlessly troll his own community. This whole incident was nonsense.
On the bright side though, I think I’ve now learned to just stay out of nonsense arguments over how FG tournaments are run. I don’t care anywhere near enough about “the FGC” to be involved at that level. I’ll play the game I love and continue to support it, and then just check out when it’s done.
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This argument against repeatedly acting on expectation is suspect coming from a guy who habitually EX.Ruins from fullscreen before he ever sees a fireball because he “predicted” a fireball would be thrown. You can’t make sense of pre-emptively crouchblocking because you expect Slide, even if no Slide ever comes? Do you get hit by every Slide that gets thrown your way?[quote=“GalacticGeek, post:367, topic:18050”]
If a player is at full-screen and inching forward while cautiously stopping every few steps to cautiously block, that’s not teabagging - that’s playing smart and defensively.
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Are you certain? Are you willing to let me get away with disrespecting you from near fullscreen every time you have a Club, because you can rationalize my “fear” of Club sweep? What about at the end of every round I finish w/ Launcher ender and delay the Skull Summon input just a smidge so I can disrespect you with plausible deniability?[quote=“GalacticGeek, post:367, topic:18050”]
I can tell these apart - you’re telling me that a room full of fans, pro players, and tournament judges won’t be able to?
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That’s exactly what I’m telling you.[quote=“GalacticGeek, post:367, topic:18050”]
I’d rather have a ruling that supports good sportsmanship rather than none that promotes anarchy.
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All the folks that can’t emotionally cope with a teabag are misconstruing the entire issue. It’s not about the ruling itself, but the message that the announcement sends in context with why the announcement was made in the first place. Teabagging was banned last year too and there wasn’t any fuss about it! There was even glorious examples of fun and hype and acceptable teabagging last year!
The real issue is that the announcement was made because a player was threatened. The player was threatened because their in-game disrespect upset a less emotionally stable player. The purpose of the announcement was not to ban disrespect and promote sportsmanship. The announcement was meant to prevent upsetting the emotionally unstable playerbase that may be in attendance.
Brandon didn’t ban threats of violence. The player who threatened violence is not banned from attendance - upsetting him was simply made to be against the rules.
The devs should just make a new character who’s taunt is to teabag, like when you press taunt they dip up and down a few times per press. Then people could teabag all they want and the haters would have no ground to stand on because taunting is somehow not offensive but teabagging is.
Just put teabaging in several ultimates
Profit!
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Almost always. Besides, I’m nowhere near thournament level as some of these pros are. Many of you are more than happy to remind me of that on a regular basis, much like you did just now.
Is Geek turning the thread about himself again?
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Then maybe you oughtta teabag at midscreen more often, eh?
I was trying to get you extrapolate a scenario from your own knowledge and experience, not hurt your feelings.
In-game taunting is debatable, generally on a case by case basis. However, I don’t think teabagging is - unless it’s among friends, it’s ALWAYS considered a rude and disrespectful action. Just because the devs create a taunt that does something similar, that doesn’t make it okay - it’s still a rude gesture. The fact that such a rude gesture is even becoming “acceptable” is horrifying to me - it’s a sign of societal downfall, which is against everything I stand for as a teacher. Granted, it probably won’t be any worse than “the finger” but even that still sets people off. It’s always the context that matters - you know it can and will likely upset people, so why do it unless you had less-than desirable intentions?
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Raw slide and other attacks like it from full-screen are entirely reactable, so I don’t see the need to preemptively crouch block them, so no, no need to “teabag” as you put it. However, because my reaction speed suffers compared to others, I still often get hit by it, as I do with numerous other attacks. I’m currently in the process of improving that reaction speed.
Because I know that it’s reactable, is also why I don’t see why pro/tournament players would do it.
Ok, poor wording…
… this was about the only way out of this pickle without looking like a:
pompous control freak
jerk
a$$
shining a negative light on the tournament’s rules
take your pick, or pick some others I didn’t mention. The point is he took a bad situation and made it worse.
…that being said I have nothing against the guy, but it’s obvious he made a poor decision to a bad situation. And now he made a good decision to minimize damage. It’s commendable. I applaud him for owning up to it.
Anyway, issue over, debate ended, let’s move on to other matters.
If your reaction speed suffers, why don’t you block it in advance then? Also pro players don’t do it because it is reactable. They do it becase they crouch block from a dostance so yolo stuff doesn’t catch them. Full screen wind kick is pretty tough for me to find easily reactable. Plus full screen overheads aren’t really a thing for most characters so you are better off “t-bagging” from a distance anyway. That doesn’t really matter since it isn’t reactable to you anyway so there is a need for YOU to crouch block them. How about instead of working on your reaction speed, you just “t-bag” from full screen so you don’t get hit?
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“Just trolling” isn’t owning up to anything. If he said he was changing the ruling based on community feedback, that’s taking ownership. If he feels he made a bad call, then say he made a bad call. “J/k” is a dodge, plain and simple. I like Brandon, and I think he’s done a world of good for the community (far more than even 5 incidents like this could overshadow), but calling it like I see it on this one. Stand your ground or change your mind, but either way own your decision.
But as you say, the debate is done. No sense dragging it out any further than it’s already gone. 
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Not really.
If he had just come out and said “Hey, guys, I’m really sorry. I made a mistake by inciting this rule about teabagging. I was wrong, and I apologize.” then he would come out on the other end as a good guy who owns up to the mistakes he makes.
Doing this… just makes him look like an idiot.
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wasn’t a tournament AT ALL idk where that came from (thanks @RoTeNdO) it was a casual FT5
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