Some of the arguments here are just people being hard headed and trying to find some sort of justification as to why they are correct. Enough of the analogies.
One guy ruined it for everyone. Why don’t we focus on that? Don’t threaten to attack someone at a live event because you got near perfected.
Half the ppl backing the right to TB are the ones that get super butt hurt when they loose and get TB’d.
People actually posting that they are going to cancel their plane ticket to KIWC and are uninstalling the game, and wont be attending, and blah blah blah… that right there is super weak and is sad.
“Im not in the tournament, I was just going to attend but now Im not going because I cant see someone tea bag another player.” SMDH
Like @TheNinjaOstrich said, if everyone put this much enthusiasm into helping each other,promoting the game to new players, or tech threads everything would be great.
Haha some of this stuff in this thread cracks me up. Tea bagging involves sex?! Are you for real? I mean maybe the woman I’ve dated have been a little too plain but never once have I incorporated tea bagging in the bedroom. Is there a specific category I should be looking for on ■■■■ sites?
I think IG needs to come out with the ultimate troll and make one of the last remaining characters taunt button do a tea-bag animation.
@FallofSeraphs76 I disagree with your assessment of those opposed to the rule. I’ve mentioned this is in the other taunt related threads. Tea-bagging or taunting doesn’t bother me at all, ultras are the only thing that bother me (especially Maya’s, it’s so ■■■■ long). And that’s because they objectively waste my time. That said doing a triple ultra on me with Maya in tournament is a perfectly viable tactic in my opinion.
Listen, and this is the last I will say on this,
there are females playing this game as well,
if It turns out in the end of the tournament that a
guy beats a girl, what do you think the headlines would
be, that there was strong female competition, or that
a female got tea bagged?
I personally agree with this sentiment. Most experienced players will not have the supposed issue of accidental teabags because of their skill level. It’s this very reason why, despite everyone’s objections, I still agree with having the ruling in place.
T-Bagging (a juvenile & immature thing to do at best) is banned from professional tournaments? Can’t say I’m surprised. If anything, I’m wondering why they waited this long to implement such a rule.
Ok, I read all 3. All that was missing was him saying “go ahead and cheat, if you get caught act like you didn’t do anything wrong”. From this guy’s point of view it would have been ok to have used Eyedol’s jumping HP move “when it was OP” and nothing else to win, and that would have been ok. To the author it would have been ok to use a busted Kan Ra and Glacius at a tournament. Use the move you know to be broken and wrong. Win and they say "I thought that how the move worked.
…and all of a sudden Sleep’s back-to-back EVO victories are illegitimized by some rando’s arbitrarily contrived (and misguided) notions of fairness w/in a genre of competition that he admittedly knows very little about, nor has a meaningful comprehension of; whose only validation of their claims is the use of the word “old school” despite clearly and again, admittedly, not having any credible historical experience or knowledge of the genre which he is prescribing measures of fairness and proper play to; prescriptions by which he would illegitimize the competitive history of the game, and thus the game itself, along with one of the most important aspects of a great fighting gamer: the power of discovery.
This is the framework of that slippery slope folks keep alluding to. Some might say it’s not that deep. Maybe it’s not - if not, I wasted 10 minutes thinking about something I love. Or maybe it is, in which case… well, ■■■■. Thanks a bunch, Scrub Nation.
But like… the disrespect sensitivity has gotten out of hand. Deep breaths, folks. It’s not that deep.
This has all inspired me that when i create my fighting game one day, pressing down down and the standard taunt will have effects that are apart of gameplay.
It isn’t the players job to limit his options. If there is a move that is OP, it is up to the TO / community to call it out and ban it. Furthermore it is up to the Devs to patch the move if possible…at least in this current climate of game development.
I’m curious, how many tournaments have you taken part in, and/or watched? Here are a few examples of this philosophy, act, whatever, in action:
Bass vs. Sleep, Texas Showdown
If you watch this match, this match is a battle of exploits. Bass, using Cinder, was able to perform an untechable throw on Arbiter…repeatedly, due to a glitch having to do with Arbiter. See before this tournament, Arbiter had just released, and the glitch was found shortly before the tournament. But Arbiter was legal, thus the Glitch was legal.
Tanya at CEO 2015
After Tanya was released in MKX, it was found that she was completely OP…and thus 4 out of the 8 of the 2015 CEO Top 8 played that character. Why did they player her again? Because she was the best character in the game at the time, and thus she gave the player the best chance of winning.
EVO 2016.
Back in summer 2016 there was a big hubbub about SF5’s DLC and whether it should be banned from Evo since it only came out 2 weeks before the tournament.
Why is the rule there? To head off any issues with glitches and such, and/or give all the players a fighting chance. But why ban the DLC outright? Because if a player uses an exploit, and it wasn’t banned before the tournament, the exploit is legal.
##This is the world you have waded into with Esport, and competitive fighting games.
People play to win, and will use any advantage they can find. There are TONS moref examples of this across the board.
I am sure there are several examples of people using OP or broken characters to win. I guess my issue is the way it is done, and the double standard for mind games. I can’t say "after I win I am going to hit on your girlfriend. Or make some rude gesture at her, which would be a d-bag move for a mind game. Although disrespect in the game is encouraged.
Where does Lag and lag switching play into the “win anyway possible” idea? If someone won due to knowing how to play with really bad lag would that be acceptable? This not a joke I really want to know.
All 300+ posts aside, if someone plays in a way that some feel us disrespectful, it is only a matter of time before they get put against someone that will really not like it. People got lucky that he was dumb enough to threaten on FB and get caught. The next one might not be.
Disrespect in-game is not encouraged. It is, however, a reasonable possibility. Moreover, “disrespect” (particularly in context of the in-game environment) is relatively subjective - which is to say, whomever has their feelings hurt is the judge of what hurts their feelings. Emotions cannot preside over fairness in this context, elsewise the loser always wins. Slippery slopes.
Involving someone’s significant other is morally repugnant, sure, but cannot realistically have bearing on game judgment. If you found out that I were the father of your child, and we came up against each other in tourney, based on your emotional attachment to this topic, I know you would be tilted and I would send you packing, free. Did I cheat, or were you too psychologically weak to keep your real-world stresses from affecting your play when it mattered?
Lag switching is cheating. It is using an external method of affecting the in-game environment to create an advantage. Not that it was actually a real question in the first place.
Learning to adapt to lag and play within it is perfectly fair. Lag is out of our control, so long as we are not creating the lag ourselves, intentionally. It’s a very similar skill to learning to play through your emotions.
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All 300+ posts aside, if someone plays in a way that some feel us disrespectful, it is only a matter of time before they get put against someone that will really not like it. People got lucky that he was dumb enough to threaten on FB and get caught. The next one might not be.
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You’re actually so emotionally impacted by this discussion that you’re coming as close as possible to threatening violence yourself while still maintaining plausible deniability. I see you.
Wanna bet that this is just a cop-out after he saw people’s reaction to it?
“Oh, lol, whoops, people don’t seem to like this rule I made. Let’s just pretend it’s a troll, like lol, just for funsies guys, I take it back, no rules, ahahahahahahaha… -cough cough-”
