Man, not only is the pettiness astonishing the hypocrisy is too! 
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A character donning another outfit with another colour is not cloning. However, if both Grayson Robin AND Grayson Nightwing were in a game, taking up two slots of the rosterā¦ thatās what Iād like to avoid.
Is this what it has come to? Bullying me into shutting up? How disappointing.
I guess this is what to be expected. Itās normal that people donāt like when someone speaks bad about something they like. But to be so overzealous that no one can utter a negative word without you guys flailing them for doing so. Itās good to be a fan, not to be a fanboy.
Iām not trying to hurt anyone by disliking these kind of characters. Yet youāre being so defensive about it. Iāve tried explaining myself many times, and even more times back when Kilgore was announced.
And Iāll say this againā¦ Iām not trying to make anyone change their views. Iām not trying to bully people into sharing my perspective. Iām not trying to shut anyone up.
I am simply sharing my dislike, explaining why, and telling people what I would like instead. Feedback. Constructive criticism. Yet people are fighting me and trying to hold me back, because they donāt like what I have to say.
-sigh-
Wellā¦ itās not happening though. Iām not gonna be quiet.
I mean, Shin Hisako evolved too. Hisako was an incarnation of vengeance, bent only on getting revenge against Ultratech in Season 2. Then in Shadow Lords she became a Gatekeeper against the forces of evil, and now that sheās reunited with her father she let go of her hatred to become a pure spirit.
Kinda like how Shadow Jago was the culmination of the Jago vs Gargos subplot that started in KI2/Gold. He took power from his faith in the tiger spirit, but then it turns out he was being manipulated and accepting Gargosās corruption into his own body. After wrestling with Omen, pieces of his and Omenās spirit split off to create a dark reflection of Jago, a gruesome glimpse of what could have been had Omen taken total control.
And Kilgore is a perfect look at the opposite. Fulgore units are weapons as well as major corporate money makers for Ultratech (not to mention an advanced artificial intelligence). Every weapon has prototypes, and just because a model has been superseded does not mean that the test models will cease to exist. In fact, vintage weaponry is a very popular collectors trade.
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Guys, I have to admit, weāve gotten a bit far off topic.
@anon39655210 Is entitled to believe what he wants without anything from us. I was trying to understand his viewpoint, but I canāt so I moved on.
But weāve gone from Shin Hisako speculation to DC Comics talk. Letās get the Shin Hisako party back in gear.
For the record real quick, Jason Todd is pretty interesting now that heās the Red Hood.
Now back to our originally scheduled program.
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If this new Hisako was the result of her appearance in the NEXT game, then Iād agree with it. I would be disappointed she left her naginata behind though and instead picked up a katanaā¦ another swordwielder in the gameā¦ but if thatās how her story evolves, then thatās cool!
But now we are getting two of the same character in the same game, where we instead couldāve gotten another original character with something unique added to the game.
Iām not sure why people have so much trouble seeing why some people, like me, wouldnāt want that. That you and others think its alright, thatās fine! I get that! I can see it from your perspective! You are getting more of what you like and thatās perfectly a good reason to want it. And I am in no way condemning anyone for wanting this.
Yet people seem to condemn me for not wanting itā¦ howās that fair?
He kinda did a Nightwing, taking on a formerly existing name and made it his own. Iām personally not too fond of him though, but he BECAME a good and more original character AFTER having been just another Robin.
Originality and uniquity.
I canāt explain it better than this.
I wonder what her price will be. 10 or just 5?
Iām perfectly fine with you not wanting clone or remix characters. I mean, frankly I tend to agree that I much prefer completely original characters. Iām also not a fan of guest characters, much like you. That said, I think the remixes we have are fun to play and have interesting enough lore bits to overlook them, and as long as they donāt add more than one new guest Iāll be content with the inclusion of what we have.
It just seemed really weird to see you so adamantly against the idea while simultaneously defending something that -for all intents and purposes- appeared to fit that same mold. I know Iāve been doing some of the same thing, and it only felt fair to see why you stood where you did.
Iām more than happy to agree to disagree on this subject so we can move on, both with (somewhat) civil forum discussion and this thread. This thread is about Shinsakoās big day.
Edit: Real quick though. This is a statement form the KI Twitter.
ā@GargosFury This character, Shin Hisako, is a separate entity from Hisako.ā
Not actually the same character. Seems like to split off from her or vice versa.
@Blade4693 Since the KI Twitter said sheās not attached to a community fund, Iām inclined to believe sheāll be $5.
Now for release date, all we know is sheās coming this month (March).
I have a feeling sheāll be out probably around the week after World Cup. Either on that Tuesday or the next weekend. Though I wouldnāt be surprised if we waited will the end of the month.
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But thatās the thing though, its not the same mold. And I explained to you why.
Then why call her by the same name of an already existing character on the roster? Why use her likeness? Why not make a new character?
I already know why, but these are the things I donāt want. Again, I understand why they are doing these thingsā¦ but they can keep calling it something else, and it will still be a clone character.
I know, I knowā¦ itās not exactly the correct term, but itās the one I use as a collective term for all those kinds of charactersā¦ clones, palette-swaps, shadow versions, remixes etcā¦
Iām glad youāre at least trying to understand me and see things from my point of viewā¦ but just earlier from the post above, it just seemed like you were like the rest of those who just canāt take it when someone doesnāt like everything they do, and so tries to make them feel lesser by mocking them.
One of Kolinās alternate costume is 90% Cammy, and nobody complains on capcom.sys about that.
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Iām not on that forum, but I made a mention of it on reddit. Yeah, I donāt agree with Kolinās designā¦
Can we just be happy that IG/MS is still making content for this game?
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Why would I be happy about some content I donāt want?
Thatās like asking a Megaman fan to be happy that Capcom is still making gamesā¦ when none of them are Megaman games.
Because it means the game is still being supported and has life? I dunno.
I mean if youāre not interested and wonāt buy it thatās fine. But Iād say wait to see her gameplay before you call out the devs for not having creativity. And even if you still donāt like her, how about we not insult developers for things they didnāt have to make for us, hmm?
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In IGās case, I guess it is not as much as lack of creativity as lack of funds to make something original. Because they have indeed shown how creative they can be with the season 2 characters.
That doesnāt change the fact that taking an already existing character and altering it to be something different is less creative than coming up with something completely new.
Weāve seen what IG can produce. And thatās why this makes me so disappointedā¦ because it is so much less than what I know they CAN do.
IG doesnāt make the decisions as far as what characters they make. Thatās MS.
And, look, I dunno whatās going on with the budget of this game, but if they can make anything out of what we have Iām all for it.
Do you have a source to back this up with?
Because as far as I know, the developers create the characters, they make the game and its content. And the MS have to approve of it before it comes out. And MS are the ones who handles the funds, they are the guys with the money, and they are the ones who hired IG to work on the game. However, all the ideas, the concepts, the charactersā¦ thatās IG, not MS.
@TempusChaoti mentioned somewhere a while back what the character process was, and it wasnāt all IGās work. Hisakoās concept stuff was actually mostly done on the MS side from what I recall, with IG then turning that character concept into a consistent/coherent moveset and archetype.
Iām fine with someone liking or not liking a character for whatever reason. I just donāt think we need to hear it in every single thread involving the character. I wasnāt a fan of Kilgore and didnāt buy him - I said why and then moved on. I didnāt argue about it or keep harping on why I wasnāt a fan. Thereās no point in finding every thread discussing the character just so that you (generic you, by the way) can repeat the same position youāve posted in 3 other threads. If you like it, great. If you donāt, say why once or twice and then keep it moving.
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The initial disappointment is strong and itās what is projected in my posts. This is my outlet.
Iām passionate, and this is my way of getting it out. Might seem like much, but negativity is often more noticable than positivity, and people seem to make it a big deal to tell me I should simply shut up and stay in the corner than say anything bad about anything in the game. And I respond back by not doing that and instead talking more about it. And so it spreads.
Good on you for keeping it short though.
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People comment on my post, I respond. People keep commenting, I keep responding.
Want me to stop responding? Stop commenting.