I disagree. You seem to have a problem with “clone” characters, yet you constantly fail to create a clear definition by which others have an exact metric to measure the problem. So in failing to define what a clone character is, you’re contempt for the notion seems a little misplaced and somewhat unjustified, because you expect us to “just know” what you’re talking about.
No no, I did.
I made a clear definition of what I mean when I say clone character.
You ranting at me, because you think it is wrong, is taking your frustration out on the wrong guy. Facts still stand… Shin Hisako is still exactly what I said she is.
eh the term clone means different things to different people. In my case clone or not these characters like Shago and Omen seem to differ enough to warrant a space on the roster, especially considering they’re in-between characters (assuming season 4 will be a thing). Now I would rather these characters be selectable via secret select or something (pressing start when picking hisako for example) due to me being bothered with two slots jutting out the roster twitch but that’s another discussion entirely.
Back on topic, is shin hisako on the select screen with a countdown yet? I haven’t hooked my Xbox up just yet.
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You said she is a clone character, but you still haven’t clearly defined that term, or why it’s bad.
You haven’t stated any facts, only opinions, and a vague idea of the definition of a clone character, nothing concrete or defined.
But you’ve had your mind concluded, and passed judgment before the character has ever even launched. So I’m done trying to sway your opinion or change your mind.
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I always felt that characters that are the same person should share a slot on the character select screen.
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yeah I miss the mystery in fighting games lol. Remember when you were that cool kid that knew how to pick yang instead of yun haha.
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In my case it just feel more organized.
Are you just ignoring half my posts? Because I already did state why I think it’s a clone character, I already stated why Shin Hisako is one… Why it’s bad? It’s not inherently bad if you like that stuff… but I personally don’t.
And no, you shouldn’t try and make me change my opinion or sway it. I don’t like clone characters, and I already stated why. I want originality, I want uniquity, I want all NEW characters. Shin Hisako is not that.
And nothing you say is going to change that.
If you like such characters, if you end up liking Shin Hisako, then awesome! Good for you! I would NEVER tell people to not like it. I would never tell you to change your opinion! And I would expect you to not try and do so to me as well.
I try not to interject on other ppls status’ but i respected your stance right until you said this. I feel like you honestly got tired of being challenged in your opinion and just chalked up how you FEEL about clone characters as fact.
Is it okay for you to not like the idea of characters that have assets from previous assets? Of course. You are allowed to like and dislike whatever you want. However you are coming off as if the lack of originality and creativity should only be expressed to the characters you stated in KI.
when you can also make a claim that MOST characters in KI borrow aspects from previous character. What @IronFlame was trying to do was see if your opinion is consistent, he wasn’t trying to
Is not how you should feel about him. He’s genuinely confused on why you have your opinion and He wants understanding that your definition [quote=“anon39655210, post:50, topic:19156”]
The definition of a clone character is borrowing aspects from other characters already in the game, whether they are gameplay or design aspects
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Does not provide. By your definition above, his example provided a contradiction in your logic with his comparisons of[quote=“IronFlame, post:60, topic:19156”]
Omen is a Sabrewulf clone because he shares a command normal that resembles Sabrewulf’s special claw swipe, RAAM is a clone of Thunder because they both share a similar standing heavy kick that is also shared by Shadow Jago, and Mira is a clone of Maya because they both have that back+HP move that hits multiple times. One move asset is shared across multiple characters.
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Then you decided not too debate further and quit.
I just wanted to break this down so we can all understand that regardless of whether a clone character is good or bad…the way you decided to address this discussion was not productive. You may have to pardon me because i am guilty of sometimes being the forum police but i just felt that i should express this to you.
I was genuinely expecting a male samurai, undead or not, but definitely male. I have nothing against female characters but there are more female characters than male ones in the game right now (excluding monsters) and I was hoping for a male to balance it out.
Also, while I’m not really fond of character family-ties (we already have Jago & Orchid, Maya & Mira, Thunder & Eagle…), I even preferred Hisako’s father to an alternative version of Hisako herself. Not only would it be a male character, it would also resemble more of an actual samurai or shogun.
However, what bothers me the most about this new character is that it is an alternative version of an existing one. Reminds me of when Capcom released Evil Ryu and Oni back in SSF4 and wasted 2 perfectly good chances of bringing back an old favorite or a brand new character. I can tolerate the so-called “shoto-clones” like Ken, Dan, Sakura and the likes (because they are different characters in themselves) but alternative versions of the same character I have a hard time dealing with.
I tolerated Shadow Jago because at the time I thought it was a one-off thing and his design kinda grew on me. But even then I didn’t fully embrace the idea.
As for Kilgore, I accepted it much easier since he was a new character in itself to me. It can be considered a clone, but a different character altogether, like Cyrax & Sektor from MK and the previously mentioned shoto-clones. So when the developers started talking about “remixed characters” I expected more clones (i.e., different characters that play like existing ones) rather than alternative versions of existing characters.
Put bluntly, if Shin Hisako simply had a different name and were not Hisako in any form (but remained the same in terms of appearance and gameplay) I would embrace her better.
With that said, let’s wait to see what the character has to offer. Hopefully she will be more interesting gameplay-wise than lore-wise.
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I want one of those light lords @TempusChaoti talked about in the DE disc.
Says the Robin fanboy.
OMG I just realized that around reveal-times Incubus becomes Geek, out to derail threads w/ borderline obsessive reiteration. Much like that other one, the Russian clown.
If you would just change your GT to “HatesClones” you wouldn’t even have to leave the Off-Topic section, we would just KNOW. 
I don’t like Robin.
I mean, Nightwing is just Di.ck Grayson in a different costume. He’s basically Shadow Robin.
Sounds like a clone character to me. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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-facepalm-
Sure, make fun of me because you disagree with me.
You’re no better than that.
While that did give me a chuckle there’s no point in insulting a guy for having a different opinion regardless if he’s being stubborn.
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I just think its a bit hypocritical to be uppity about a character getting new gear and changing their name to gain a new character slot when that’s literally what DC did with Nightwing.
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No, because what Nightwing is, is the same character who has evolved throughout a storyline. They did not copy/paste him and called it a new character. That’s more what the other Robins are after Grayson left Batman. People liked Robin, so they kept making new Robins, just altering a few things here and there.
The same with Supergirl/woman/boy/dog etc. People like Superman, so they made more of him, just a tad different. Those characters are not original or unique.
Nightwing is the result of a character developing from being a sidekick into his own character.
What I appreciate is originality. Nightwing was the original Robin, but evolved. Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Damian Wayne… I have no interest in them. However, I didn’t care for Grayson either when he was Robin, but that’s because I don’t care for sidekicks all that much… also, the whole Robin look doesn’t interest me either.
Also, a comicbook character doesn’t take up a slot on a roster. There is no limit to how many characters you can have in a comic. There is a limit in a fighting game though.
The only thing that this little comparison of yours fits is that Grayson took the name Nightwing which already belonged to a hero that Superman has heard of back on Krypton. But that’s where the comparison ends.
Whoa whoa whoa, let’s not pretend that writing a story to explain the cloning process (y’know, where they color the red spandex blue) justifies the cloning.