Random Character Tournament Vol. 4: Halloween Edition 🎃 (CONCLUDED)

[GalacticGeek]

I was thinking in terms of the same style - 3D, blade-like look silver steel with blood-red tips.

[ItzTymeToDul]

Oh…I mean is up to him really. I think the color is fine as long that is the color for the tournament, but it doesn’t feel KI enough.

[STORM179]

@DulXboxOne

I think hisako is good at controlling her own ranges but enforcing that on the opponent is hard without spacing the dashes (Imo).

So I don’t think this contradicts the thrust of my statement at all. HIsako’s commitment to her movement doesn’t preclude her neutral game revolving around footises - it simply informs her specific take on them. She manages the space around herself extremely well, and because of the general fear of her counter, her dash speed, and the range of her buttons, actually gets considerable license to enter and leave her optimal ranges. It’s certainly a unique, KI take on footsies (which, to be clear, is an incredibly vague term that largely just denotes tame, button-trading neutral), but it is footsies nonetheless in my opinion.

@DulXboxOne

If the opponent has good reaching Normals and better walk speed (sabrewulf, orchid, sadira, fulgore on ice, aria) then they can maintain their offense and defense. Hisako cannot maintain defense unless she sacrifices her approach and pressure.

The only one of these characters who legitimately controls space in neutral better than Hisako in their respective MU’s are Wulf and Fulgore with full pips (because Fulgore with full pips ■■■■■ on everyone). I think Hisako is favored in the neutral against all the rest of these characters, and to be honest I don’t think it’s close. Sadira doesn’t do well in the neutral at all, because Hisako outpokes her in the air and the threat of air-ORZ recap is much stronger than getting tagged by a raw medium widow’s bite while airborne (not really a traditional footsie-based neutral I’ll admit, but what can you do - it’s Sadira after all ). Orchid’s walk speed is surprisingly moot because Hisako’s buttons are just so much better (similar to how Hisako is advantaged over Kim in neutral), and Aria even in blade body really only goes even against Sako if there isn’t a bass assist covering her.

You mention that it’s hard for her to maintain her defense without sacrificing either pressure or approach, but the existence of counter (not necessarily its use) largely covers for those gaps, and her buttons cover the rest. You might windkick or slide in at me, but I can almost guarantee you aren’t going to just walk in or jump and get away with it. Her buttons are much too good in general for you to be able to try and approach without some sort of shenanigan. Neutral against Hisako is played largely at Hisako’s pace, so she generally gets to sit at whichever of her optimal spaces she so chooses. Either she’s going to be within her ideal normal spacings (where she can hit you but you can’t hit her without committing to something relatively negative), or she’s going to be right in your face, where now you’re guessing between overhead/low/command grab, if you even have the chance to react to her being that close to you in the first place.

She can be very vortexy on knockdown and her neutral is certainly informed by non-standard options, but in my mind a lot of the real magic of the character is in the way she controls spaces and ranges in neutral. And I think a lot of her strength in the neutral (which many people overlook) comes from the fact that she’s actually just really, really, solid in terms of “traditional” footsies.

[VladKravich]

Will we get invites when it happens?

[Crainiak24]

@DulXboxOne @GalacticGeek I’m not fantastic with details, but I can give it a shot. I will need time though…

[XenoraptorBlue]

We have 26 already and it’s not even October!

Guys, I’m sorry, but you won’t get Character assignment THIS early.

[BigBadAndy]

I just want to give Kudos to you for arguing that your main is GOOD instead of complaining that she isn’t better…[quote=“PVXenoraptor, post:166, topic:15075”]
Guys, I’m sorry, but you won’t get Character assignment THIS early.
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Totally understandable. But I have kind of a brutal month without a whole lot of time to practice, so if I get someone from S2 or 3 that I don’t have a lot of time with I’d like to know as soon as you can tell me. Not because I have any designs for winning the tournament - heck I don’t mind going 0-2. But I think people would rather see something interesting other than me not knowing where the good buttons are.

[Crainiak24]

I think this new iteration should be a bit more “KI”. Again, I’m not great with details so it doesn’t look perfect (I am self taught).

[Dayv0]

Love it
What about adding the k ?

[Crainiak24]

Not really part of the Logo, it’s just meant to be an “R” for random with a “?” in it. the “I” that formed on the left was not intentional and adding the “K” would be pretty darn difficult at this point.

[XenoraptorBlue]

#Bracket poll

• Finalize the brackets NOW!
• Finalize the brackets somewhere this week
• Finalize the brackets next week (Start of October)
• Finalize the brackets a fortnight before the tournament
• Finalize the brackets a day before the tournament

#Character assignment poll

• Do the Character assignment NOW!
• Do the Character assignment somewhere this week.
• Do the Character assignment next week (Start of October)
• Do the Character assignment a fortnight before the tournament

#What should happen since this is the Halloween edition?

• Put the scary characters (e.g. Hisako, Mira, Spinal etc.) in Round 2
• The commentators should have scary music put on-stream
• Have a prize that’s Killer Instinct & Halloween-related for Champion of V4.
• Have the commentators laugh creepily like Kan-Ra on-stream
• All of the above

Just a few opinions I will need to fulfill my spell that’s cooking in my cauldron…

[MetaSalt]

In my biased opinion, i believe its eseential that you keep Who’s playing what character unti lthe day before.

[Dayv0]

Brackets the day before. No real benefit of having them now (besides one month scared if I get my first fight against someone like Storm )

I would prefer the option of not assigning characters until a week before. But NEVER so soon as today or next week.

Also I would choose all the options in the last poll IF the scary character options it’s skipped. Random it’s random, even for the brackets. But I would do a rule about 100% using Halloween accessories if avaible.

[GalacticGeek]

My only critique would be to reduce the size of the curve on the ? So that it’s more uniform across the whole thing. It looks too cartoon IMO with the bulge it has now.

I suggest brackets and characters 1 week prior and as much Halloween-related stuff as you can muster.

[Sasuke99I]

I got a prize. Winner gets a Shadow Lords early access code I say we don’t need to know the characters right away but some time to prepare would be nice. I’d say there is a funny little rule. In addition to winning the tournament, there is a little side tournament. Each match, we can vote on who has the better accessory set. Winner gets a point. Ties result in a match. 2 potential winners. One for gameplay and one for accessories.

[Crainiak24]

I had that thought as well, but then the whole thing ends up not looking like an “R”

[Crainiak24]

Oh my, I get to laugh like Kan Ra? this is going to be fun…

[Crainiak24]

@Sasuke99I

Winner gets a Shadow Lords early access code

KKKKKKKKKKKKKK…kappa

[BigBadAndy]

Just for clarity, I’m encouraging you to assign characters now but not announce it publicly.

[XenoraptorBlue]

Okay, you know what…

#I’ll do Character assignment now, but nobody will find out their character until when we decide on it.

We: @PVXenoraptor, @DulXboxOne, @Crainiak24, @Marbledecker, @lewisthewizard

If anyone says It’s down to me; I don’t care if it’s down to me

The following people tagged (except me) will not find out anyone’s character.