Kilgore... Ultimate

one for the zoner head and one for the rush down head.

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Or use them both, like in his intro (kinda) and outro. Its an animated finisher with no inputs after so they can take some liberties (like Jago’s gigantic fireball and Tusk’s scorched earth).
I should also mention that I like this idea, but given Shin Hisako and the debates about resources, even though its a great little detail its probably not worth the resources.

That would be cool but knowing how some people would react to this would probably end up with several threads asking ā€œhow come eyedol gets two ultimates and my character didn’t even get oneā€ which would start a fair bit of chaos and well like @DoobyDude23 said budgetary constraints.

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I feel that cinder should have taken sadira’s place instead, especially since he’s more connected to ultratech than sadira was.

No I know what it is. Mostly like Chiharu remain dead and buried. Still there will be two souls of a same subject. Its not a corpse or a zombie but a ā– ā– ā– ā–  soul that equals exactly a existing one. That is a paradox to me. Whatever there story says its weird. For all this weird stuff i pass cause it makes no sense to me and yes it defy common sense and reasonable inteligence. If you accept it as it is good to you.

For all we know,maybe her new spirit wants to destroy her vengeful spirit so she can finally be at peace and rest in peace.We have no idea yet what the new character’s story and true purpose is yet.

ETA:this isnt even the thread to discuss this anyway,my apologies mods for going off topic

just makes the most sense to me, yeah they can just use his both heads in the ultimate, but the thing is he is pretty much two characters in one.

It doesn’t challenge ā€œmostā€ Spiritual knowledge just your very limited study as you have said you only acknowledge one specific area of study. You completely ignore the entirety of ā€œcomplex asianā€ concepts while factually MOST schools of Spiritual studies both acknowledge and embrace the Asian philosophies and acknowledge/embrace the knowledge of ALL cultures.
No person or culture, etc. is capable of being 100% right or wrong about everything all of the time. Only by studying as many different ways of thought and discovering what clicks together can you hope to uncover any semblance of ā€œtruthā€.
Your argument is the Spiritualist’s equivalent of saying ā€œWell that’s not in my Bible so whatever you’re saying must be wrong.ā€ It’s just poor and narrow philosophy.
Also in game canon IF what is going on with Hisako is similar to what happened with Jago/Shago then they have already established precedence for the positive and negative aspects within the soul dividing into separate entities.

@rizzo32bandit Sorry making off-topic discussion.
@BloodfangAR We can discuss this on another topic if you wish.

Let me try to be clear (God my english sucks). Im surprised they’ve chosen those complicated asian teachings over western creed since KI are made by american people. There’s at least 40% of the people of the 3 americas being from western christian civilization so at least one of the developers know something about souls and spirits. Despite all of that, Im shocked how they wasnt careful with the plot. By doing so, Hisako are a hyperdimensional goddess now. She can live on all 3 time phazes in a row like past Hisako, present Hisako and future Hisako. It damages the plot somehow. How they gonna explain it on a potential sequel? If she’s a godess she’s on her right to be op and kill gargos or eyedol easily. Im ok with people who like her but i feel like a fool when i stare at both hisakos in the same game. Feels weird to me. There was just one japanese character in this game which was perfect in plot overall now it got twisted. If it was canon it would crack time just like what happens in Quantum Break.

Sure that. They should just be just a little bit careful on how remix characters plot impact the story of the game. They are free to choose whatever culture they want to adopt. Shin Hisako play evil tricks with my mind so i guess its not for me.

No. The shago thing are called POSSESSION. In other words, Omen takes full control of Jago’s body and mind. Taking advantage of the warrior’s wisdom and knowledge of fighting. One of the reasons behind the mixed moves of jago and omen. Hisako are a soul, a spirit divided in two. Organic cells can do that but sprits… However, enjoy your Goddess waifu broken spirit. Hope there’ll be only 1 hisako on a KI sequel someday i just dont know how good the story can be told about this crazy stuff.

Shadow Jago and normal Jago both exist at the same time though…

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Fulgore and Kilgore are different units ok.
Jago and shago was tolerable but for Hisako it have gone too far. There’s not only 1 Omen and there’s not only 1 monk warrior. It’s plausible. Although shago are a transformation not a dead self splited in two. Thats where it went wrong she should just turn into shin not to become separated entities.

I actulaly find this funny, while I appreciate the support you want for Cinder to get an Ultimate, earlier, didn’t you say you no longer use Cinder? so why exactly are you angry?

I mean yeah I’m a bit bummed right now since Cinder currently doesn’t have an Ultimate, and he’s one of my three characters I main, along with Riptor and Cinder. So while I eagerly hope he’ll get one, I still am curious as to why you, someone who no longer cares for Cinder, would be affected by this?

Maybe the ultimate for Cinder would reignite the flame for him. (no pun intended)

There could be so much potential for a fire finisher like use ā€œdevastedā€ animation effects from Aganos stage ultra. Fire finishers are kinda of a trademark along with ice and other elements on fighting games where you can finish off your opponents. I feel bad for Glacius too. Perhaps they could announce an extra ultimate pack later with Glacius, Cinder, Wulf, Spinal and why not, Rash.

Honestly I’m not sure how they’re going to make all of these fire finishers unique.

Jago flames them to death, Tusk flames/stabs them to death, Fulgore beams/burns them to death.

If everyone gets an ultimate there will be Cinder, Riptor and Kilgore that could potentially have fire related finishers. That’s a lot of fire, I just hope they can make them all unique enough. Honestly Jago’s and Fulgores are pretty much the same exact thing, thematically.

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They are not going to show the body burning up, so people need to let the fire issue go. The ultimate is about finishing the match with a move, and it not about setting someone on fire.

Tell this to KI classics… Pff.

Do people really need to see what happens to the body after say a Fulgore Ultimate?I’m pretty sure the intent is there that whoever it hits,isnt surviving it.

Adam Isgreen has stated that it’s intentionally left up to interpretation whether or not the opponent dies.

Jumping back in the conversation for a moment, let me put some words in my own mouth -

We knew Eyedol would come back in S3 before we started S3. It wasn’t iffy or unconfirmed- our plan was to have the entire KI 1/2 arcade roster back by S3.

From Ken: Eyedol in KI arcade was built in 3 days, so there was not a lot of deep thought put into his design. Ken thinks it was cheap boss and while that was fun for the time, he doesn’t consider Eyedol anywhere close to a quality character in terms of fighting game characters. ā€œNot our best workā€ is an appropriate way to say it.

From me: I was totally honest in finding original Eyedol to be ā€œgoofyā€. While I’m a huge fan of Ray Harryhausen and his work, Eyedol seemed to be drawn from the later Simbad films wherein all the creatures got goofy, not like Spinal, who was closer to early Harryhausen work and awesome in focus.

Most of the team at DH and IG also found Eyedol’s original form pretty silly.

We saved Eyedol for last because, as I’ve said, we needed time to figure out how to ā€œun-goofyā€ him from his original form. The split head concept was what I believed would satisfy the bi-cyclops aspect of the original while also adding a ton to his backstory and keeping him out of the typical tropes that two-headed creatures fall into.

Nostalgia is a great thing, but we can’t lean too heavily on it, especially for a series that was dormant for 20 years. Keeping Eyedol looking the same for the new version wasn’t an option for us (that’s why we do retro costumes) because times have changed since KI first released, and the old Eyedol wasn’t going to fit in the world we’re building with KI’s lore.

As for why Cinder doesn’t have an ultimate yet while Kilgore does, it’s because Cinder’s needs to be really special as we already have two ā€œtoastingā€ ultimates, and didn’t want to rush to a ā€œhe burns the opponent upā€ one. As the guy who wrote Cinder’s trailer and established his new persona and attitude (remember when Cinder took over the KI Twitter? Guess who that was), he means a lot to me, and that means I wanted time to make sure he got a really unique one when his turn comes around.

So if you’re looking for someone to blame for that, I’m right here. Come at me, bro.

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