No, Jago and Shadow Jago are already separate beings.
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Cinder may not be evil per say, but he is most definitely a âbad guyâ. He isnât the type to go out of his way to do harm to people, but if the easiest, most efficient way to get to his target is to go through a village of innocents, he will do it.
ARIA isnât harsh, she is brutal. But yeah, she isnât evil as she doesnât do this for personal gain or just to seed hardship, she has an ultimately altruistic goal.
IMO Gargosâ trailer is made that much cooler due to the fact that he is mocking ARIAâs efforts to thwart him. He says, âI can play your game too machine,â and to me that says he knows what she has been doing, what the purpose of the KI tournament was, and that as advanced and âsmartâ as ARIA is, she still doesnât compare to GargosâŠat least in his own mind.
I honestly canât wait until the Shadow Lords mode and more lore overall. They are doing an amazing job rounding out this universe.
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I agree. Even though I canât play her, I love her character. Her backstory is one of my favorites.
That does make Gargos even more threatening than before. It should be really interesting to see how this plays out because we know ARIA canât really be killed. Gargos can destroy her body 20x over but unless he manages to destroy w.e holds her data/consciousness or w.e she can keep coming back.
It would be quite a twist to see Ultratech be the ones to save the world though. I am sure Orchid/Jagoâs little group (With Kim and Tusk) will be the ones who save the day, but id love to see ARIA and UT play a pivotal role in saving the world from Gargos and his forces.
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Cinder sees things as a job. Itâs gotta be done. The military mindset. âmission before anything else.â Itâs what the miltaray teaches you in basic and after.
Gargos is probably the most arrogant character in the series with kim and tusk following short behind him that and maybe kan-ra as well.
Mine too. ARIA as a character is very intriguing to me, as the idea of her playing earth as a massive game of risk / chess is just ridiculous.
ARIA can be killed, but it would just be incredibly hard seeing as she is essentially a ghost in a machine. It has been pretty well established that her true self is in the Pinnacle so destroying the UT HQ building would presumably be the way to stop her, but yeah, whose to say she doesnât have copies of herself, and other high-tech facilities all over the world.
I think more than likely there would be an alliance of sorts in order to bring down Gargos.
UT, like Cinder and ARIA herself, arenât evil, just brutal in the pursuits of its goals. UT has save countless lives with the tech they have pioneered, but at the same time they have ruined many lives too in the name of âpreparingâ the word for what is to come. I mean, if you just look at TJ Combo, and the fact that UT thoroughly ruined his life in order to experiment on himâŠthe fact that he is now one of earthâs most powerful heroes is precisely the other side of that horrible coin.
The same goes for Orchid and Jago, and even the whole Glacius / Cinder situation. Glacius wants to stop ARIA from bastardizing his race, and ultimately bring balance back to the way things should be, but ARIA is truly protecting the earth from potentially hostile outside forces, and in creating Cinder and Fulgore she has grown earthâs âheroâ count.
It is all pretty complicated and grey (which I really love) as the supposed âgood guysâ and âbad guysâ over lap a lot in their motives. When everything goes down (granted it is all done right and well) it could play out to be an amazing story.
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Kan-ra for sure is crazy arrogant. Gargos is pretty arrogant as well, but I feel that he has the power to back up his hubris. But you think Kim and Tusk are arrogant? Why?
I mean I get that Kim is cocky, but I donât get the sense that her ego is over inflated or anything. And Tusk tooâŠhe is pretty powerful in his own right, and is probably the strongest of those fighting for earth, but still I donât see him as arrogant. I think a lot of what could be perceived as arrogance from Tusk is just the idea that we donât know everything about him yet. I mean he just jumped out of a plane head / sword first in the Novella, flying at terminal velocity towards solid ice and didnât flinch. Dude hit the ground âwith the sound of a bombâ and survived. At this point Gargos might be the only one capable of killing him.
That reminds meâŠanyone got any ideas for why Tusk found that red piece of cloth by him in Chapter 2? It obviously cam from Hisako, but why would she have shown up? Did Tusk defeat that Shago, and Hisako showed up and took him? which would imply that the other Shago that showed up back in that town after the fight was yet another shago copy.
Or did something else happen, and did Hisako save Tusk after he was defeated by Shago? Which would make be question just how powerful Kim Wu with Yeo is as she decimated Shago, where as Tusk seemingly struggled.
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Everyone is superhuman in KI.
Man thats good stuff! Any chance of publishing into a product we can purchase?
Same here dude. I think she is one of the more interesting characters tbh. I canât wait to to see what she has in store in S3âs story. Her ultimate goal is to ensure the survival of humanity, and with Gargos coming in this is sort of like the ultimate test lol
Yeah that is pretty much what I meant but I am 100% sure that a being of ARIAâs intelligence would know not to make it so obvious/easy. She knows UT has enemies that want to bring them down, so I believe she is would know better than to keep her one true self in one place that could be destroyed, like you I think she has many copies of herself in places all over the world as precautions.
Exactly! That is my favorite thing about her and this whole situation. The lines between who is good and bad is blurred and it makes things much more interesting than having everything be black and white. ARIA is a character that kind of makes you think and I like that. Even though they arenât similar, she intrigues me the same way Shinobu Sensui does. Another character who I find very interesting that I really like lol
I think some of this plays into Shadow Lords and Season 2 and 3âs story.
ARIA isnât like the old UltraTech from KI1 and KI2. Sheâs not summoning ancient warlords just because she can, or getting incredibly strong fighters killed for the sake of bloodsport. She wants to help humanity. Force them to grow and accept UltraTechâs technological advancements, no matter how stupid or insane they get. Thatâs why she summoned Gargos. âWhat better way to force humanity to accept my ideals than to lead them against a world-destroying threat?â
Yes, she couldâve killed the other heroes when she had them pinned down at the City of Dawn; they all actively hate UltraTech and surely plan to off ARIA as soon as possible. But why do that when she can instead prove that they canât be true âheroesâ unless UltraTech are the ones leading the path?
In a way, itâs almost like sheâs narcissistic. She wants to be the big hero. She wants to be humanityâs savior. But sheâs not doing that to be a generic villain; itâs just her programming. Ryat-Father wanted her to save the world and protect humanity, and that is what she must do.
(I type up an ARIA essay like every 3 months. I like her a lot!)
Back on topic, this is where the âuneasy alliancesâ part comes in for Shadow Lords. Sheâs going to force rivals to work together to purge the threat of Gargos. For example, Cinder goes from taking pleasure in setting Sabrewulf on fire:
âŠto him, Sabrewulf, and (for exampleâs sake) Tusk clearing out a bunch of Gargosâ minions in downtown New York.
Whether or not they get along is the important part. They better, because A). ARIA will slap the human out of them, B). Have a bunch of Fulgore and Riptor units do it for them, and/or C). Gargos/his many soldiers will have already ripped them in half and hung them on his wall.
EDIT: And yeah, itâs mentioned in ARIAâs backstory that she has multiple facilities set up around the world where she can ârespawnâ. Itâs not just The Pinnacle.
âARIA has been planning for this day for years.â
âI have made backup copies of myself scattered all around the world.â
I said this before. ARIA can die, itâs justâŠyou basically have to throw the world back into the dark ages (aka NOT a good thing to do) to wipe her out by crashing the internet. And I doubt any virus anyone attempts to upload would do the trick. So essentially one must âpull the plugâ to kill her.
But doing that has consequences which will most likely label the âgood guysâ as âbad guys.â Seeing as how humanity is still alive but being thrown back into the dark ages can spur conflict.
âWell ultratech is no more. But the world has to star overâŠâ
random citizens
âYOU THREW US BACK, WE HAVE NOTHING!!! THANKS TO YOU!!!â
To meâŠthatâs a problem. I donât think someone like orchid wants said problem.
Thatâs just a theory though.
But Cinder said it best.
âIf these pinheads gave it some thought theyâd see theyâre on the wrong side.â
ARIA seems like an approachable person. If everyone sat down and talked things overâŠIâm sure a deal could be made.
thereâs also the issue of mega battery backups. Even if you destroy the internet, she would probably have a few hidden bunkers somewhere where some mega Tesla battery is storing a copy of her. you can never have too many battery backups.
I forgot about these lines. But yeah, this would suggest that though Gargos THINKS he knows what ARIAâs plans are all about, she has layers of depth to her plan that he just has no clue about.
Iâm not so sure about that. I think ARIA has evolved passed explaining her decisions, or trying to sway people to her cause. She knows what she âneedsâ to do, and if you are in her way she will just move you out of her way, or into the position that she want you to be in.
In the Cinder backstory when she is talking to Ben about taking part in Project Cinder, she plainly states that âI do not need your compliance to proceed, but it would beâŠhelpful.â If you donât get her logic, she will just by pass you by and let you catch up later.
Next chapter better be for Kim & Jago to get connected. And when will there be a reunion between Mira & Maya?
So farâŠ
- Sabrewulf
- Aganos
- Thunder
- Fulgore
- Omen
- Hisako
- Riptor
- Cinder
- ARIA
No sign ofâŠ
- Glacius
- Spinal
& - Kan-Ra
⊠yet.
So perhaps withâŠ
- Jago
- Orchid
- TJ Combo
& - Maya
Jago will introduce Kim to them and to be invited into the new Night Guard.
Maybe Iâm being a bit too judgemental of everyoneâs favorite robot CEO, but Iâm pretty sure that meant âI do not need your compliance to proceed, but Iâm not afraid to have Fulgores and Riptors beat the living crap out of you until you give in.â And I think in Season 2âs story (before the expanded ones), ARIA essentially said âGo into Project Cinder or dieâ. (or, to be definitely accurate, âEvolve or Dieâ is sort of her thing)
I definitely agree that ARIA has good intentions, but as of right now, I trust her about as far as I can throw her. And I imagine that her metal body is probably pretty heavy, and Iâm kind of a weak guy, soâŠ
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whops late reply,
Maybe, gonna plan on commissions soonâŠ
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Is the next chapter up yet?
Okay, the new novellaâs out. And I think ARIA is still just maybe a LIIIIITTLE insane. Yâknow. Just a tad.
Yep!
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Italiano pls⊠:(((((((((((((((