CEO Pot Bonus [Blow UP]

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I think we are blowing one guys offhand tweet WAY out of proportion. And I think some people are just using it as an excuse to beat the “support the scene! Show up to tournmants!” drum. Which is fine, but recognize that most of us don’t fail to show up for tournaments because there’s no pot bonus. Far more people don’t go to tournaments because they don’t have the time, money or motivation to go spend a weekend playing video games. Everybody just needs to chill.

I don’t know why the FGC always generates so much drama…

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See. Already showing modesty like a true champion. The rest of us are playing for 2nd place now.

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It’s not about people who don’t have the time or the funds to go. It’s definitely not about people who outright don’t want to go.

It’s the people whom expect big purses and lots of coverage to appear and don’t show up because of it. Sponsors need people to be there first. Expecting sponsors to turn up before the players is putting the cart before the horse.

its NEVER been about shaming people who can’t go, nor the folks that flat out don’t want to go.

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Leave it up to ppl not reading the thread, or lcd’s recent clarifications to keep the conversation stuck way in the past.

At this point the dead horse is starting to get beaten. Where the thread lockers at

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Good points made by both sides of this debate. At the end of the day, if a top player can’t afford to go to an event, that sucks but they shouldn’t feel bad for it. RL happens.

There are two major points that @TheKeits and others have made which should be take-aways from this discussion:

  • Attendance feeds prize pots (without a doubt), and prize pots feed attendance (to an extent, with some notable examples to the contrary)… but it starts with attendance. If that never happens, the cycle doesn’t begin.
  • If you want more people to play KI and attend tourneys, all you really have to do is play the game and be vocal/public about loving the game and/or having fun while playing it (a point which I and others had made in threads just a few weeks prior to this discussion).

With these two things working as intended, we find that the discussion is solved.

Hope to see any of you @ CEO, please say Hi. :grin:

EDIT: I’d also like to take a moment to acknowledge everything @CrazyLCD has done in his own time to promote this game. I don’t think anyone should forget for a hot second that he loves the game and has put in work to show people he does. Thanks Larry.

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Plus he did past a video on his channel stating his status with tournaments this year.

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When you are your own financial benefactor, traveling often just isn’t feasible for most people. Especially people LCD’s age. But that’s OK! I don’t think anyone reasonably expects the man to be at every major; and if they do, their opinion is probably not worth noting anyhow.

I just wanted to add that list bit to my post because I saw LCD getting some disproportionate flak on Twitter from random people not involved with the discussion whatsoever, and it got on my ■■■■■. The man made one tweet that got taken out of context by another notable player - this type of thing is inevitable on the internet, and should not be a basis to discredit anything LCD has done to date.

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Cliffnotes version:

  • LCD can’t travel to every major.

  • If you like KI and want to see it succeed at tournaments, go to tournaments.

  • If you want bigger prize pools/ bonuses, go to tournaments.

  • Don’t be a jerk.

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A++

You can skip the next exam

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It just kinda saddens me to read that the lack of large prize money could really be such a point of contention.

I live in the UK and would kill to be able to attend a tournament and meet other KI and fighting game enthusiasts. Just to compete with people and be in that environment and see so much love for the game, I would love all of that. The idea of winning money would be last on my mind. Prize money just feels like a great bonus but not a drive to go.

I’m planning on attending EVO next year with a few friends and that will legitimately be the biggest trip we’ve made in years, so I get the expenditure. But even if I was good enough to win, the pride of winning would be so much more important to me than whatever they gave me for it.

Rather have a trophy than a cheque.

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Hopefully KI is still at Evo in 2017!

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Really bloody hope so lol. Planning on going xD

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Heh. That’s actually part of the reason I’m going this year…after KI leaves the circuit I won’t care to compete, so want to make sure I go now while we’re still on the big stage. :slight_smile:

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That magikarp picture tho :joy:

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This kind of drama, I’m not even sure if i should be concerned of laugh my ■■■ off.

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To me, all this drama represents a truth we all know deep down inside:

Being the best at a video game doesnt make you money.

What i mean by this is:

When you are the best at a video game, the video game doesnt just print money out of the disc slot. The money has to come from somewhere else. Usually it comes from the “Event” (To sum it up in a short, abstract term).

But where does the “Event” get the money? The “Event” has to pay for tons of other expenses themselves, so where does the prize portion come from? Usually either the participants, or a major affiliate company of the game.

But where do the “Players / Major Affiliate Comapny of the Game” get their money? The players obviously get their money for themselves, and must make a decision: “Is it profitable, or fun enough, to spend my money to go?” Unfortunately, for the majority of us, no matter how “fun” it is to go, it is just not financially possible. Or in the case of some pros, it is not financially profitable enough.

The entire above paragraph also applies to the “Major affiliate company”.

So all of this information together =

The tournament scene CANT generate its own money. It is only stable when other people decide to GIVE it money, with almost no return on investment (which can come in many forms). And the MAIN source of this income is through spectators. They are the largest source of money, which demands no money in return.

So this ENTIRE issue all stems from the question:

“Why arent more people watching us play KI?”

This may be self-explanatory, or it may not be, but the point im trying to make is that PLAYING THE GAME doesnt magically create money. Someone has to dedicate the money with no intent to get it back. And systems like that never survive. Its AMAZING there is a tournament scene at all. All “entitlement” to money based on performance in the game, or quality of work at events, needs to get thrown out the window, because in the real-world, that doesnt make make money, PARTICIPATION (in viewership, NOT just players) does. It doesnt matter if the venue is solid gold, or we have 20,000 players in a tournament, what matters is how many people are willing to put forward some $$$ to be a part of it.

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I think what the community needs to focus on more instead of debating about prize pots and what not, is instead trying to figure out what we can do to make it appealing for people to come to these events. How do we convince the people that there’s a special kind of excitement that you can only get when surrounded by people who all love the game as much as you do? How do we get people excited about going to a tournament and cheering on your favorite players live? How do we let the players themselves know that they’re appreciated for playing as hard as they do by gathering as large of a crowd as possible?

If I was able to go to any of the tournaments at all, I’d try to film the whole experience and upload it showing off the vibrant nature of these tournaments. The people need to know that watching a stream =/= actually going to a tournament in person. Even if we could get people to go to one single tournament, then that would already be a step in the right direction in getting the community to grow bigger in the offline scene.

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I beg to differ on that… There were many games that stand out on its own before and after SF. There’s many scenes outside of SF. That’s like looking at what’s playing on the radio and assuming that’s all Hip Hop (or insert genre) has to offer, when there’s more to it than that…

Videos showcasing massive levels of hype during certain matches actually help out with that. I’ve introduced people to games simply because of the hype seen/experienced on video, and they wanted to experience that for themselves.

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well…that escalated quickly…

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EDIT: I went back and re-read this and it comes across as angry. I’m not angry and I don’t want to seem angry, so I edited it.

I never said there weren’t other games with solid communities - or implied that those games have “nothing to offer.” The FGC began with SF, grew out of SF and beyond it, but just look at the EVO numbers. Without SF EVO doesn’t start and without SF EVO doesn’t continue. Yes, EVO isn’t the only thing going on in the FGC - but it is the “championship” recognized by most people in the FGC. It’s the biggest tournament and the largest event.