Can the CPU not do full ultras please?

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I’ll leave this info for all of you. Take it for what it is. I am an avid max ultra combo player. When a new character drops, I compete with other players KI4Life included on youtube for the max hits possible. New tech daily, records broken, gets to the point with some characters that you are preforming 1 frame exploited links (gargos ended up that way) with that though, the Quad Ultra’s and Aganos’ old 6 Ultra combo, not a single one of them is longer than 1min45seconds. Keep in mind these combos are all heavies, heavy manuals, highest hit count, all meter expended, every last little bit of KV meter used.

There is only one character right now who has a full triple ultra that lasts more than 1:30 and that is Maya. So, if you play 10 matches and every one of them does the max possible combo, at most you lose 15 minutes. That’s assuming you lose every match an leave them with full resources when they beat you.

The average wait time for a match is about 2-3 minutes unless in lobby. That doesn’t include load times. So in a 10 match span, wait/load times can cost you upwards of 30-40 minutes. This happens every time. Why isn’t this getting 3 threads a week? Is it because this is out of your control and to be expected?

Someone doing an ultra is also out of your control, and should be expected.

So I’ll ask again, is the Ultra really that bad? I mean, you can say… I’ve seen it a billion times… You’ve seen the loading screen more than a billion times then. Over the course of my KI career, I’ve played just over 40,000 total matches.

If every match had a full Ultra, that is 60,000 minutes of wasted time. Let’s divide that in 3 and make it 20,000 because we all know ultra’s don’t happen every match let alone triple ultras.

Now lets take the load/wait times. If I include all load times, and match searching times, that leaves about 140,000 minutes wasted which is 7 times more wasted time than Ultra combo’s.

I’ve lost 13 days of match time due to ultra combo’s in 3 years. I’ve lost 97 days of match time to load/wait times. Those are my personal stats. And that is only for matches I’ve played. That doesn’t include game startup, patches, dojo, training, customization of characters, menu cycling, and anything else involved outside of a match.

That number could be even lower since I have a consistent win rate of about 80%. I could shave off even another 80% making it 4000 which is almost but not quite 3 days. Being as how I enjoy Ultra’s but lets say I hated the ones where I lost, I still lost 32 times more time to wait/load times than the Ultra’s that were preformed on me. And that time loss is mandatory.

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Then he laid the numbers down. So…any takers? C’mon…there’s gotta be one of ya out right willing to step up to the plate.

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It’s faster for me to alt-F4 and reload the game than wait for your e-peen combo to finish.

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Do you watch pro tournaments? How many full Ultras have you seen in those? Be like the pros, not like the jerks.

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So you want me to act like less than 1% of the community? What kind of argument is that? By all means rage quit so you can build up enough reports to not be allowed online. Then we who actually enjoy the whole game can continue to do so ultra and all.

Flash is a well respected player, so is KI4Life, they both ultra a lot in both ranked and tourneys.

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No, I want you to act like a respectful player and not do triple ultras every game then get upset when someone calls you out on it.

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You make it sound like you can’t both be a respectful player & triple Ultra. Fortunately, the idea that you can’t do both is just not true.

If you have heard anything about how quite a few pro players have been conducting themselves lately, you would laugh at the statement you just made here.

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Sorry, but I can’t agree with the idea that someone that has no respect for their opponent’s time is a “respectful player.”

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Really? Ok, scenario…because I’ve actually had this happen to me: What if a player on ranked does not just 1, but 2 triples (1 per match), and then afterwards sends you a message like: “GG man, that was an amazing match. In the second round, your air-juggle tech was awe-inspiring!!”

… I mean I could see how someone could still be salty over the loss, but does this hypothetical guy sound disrespectful? Certainly not. He would simply be a player that was given an opportunity because of his win to style, and so he styled.

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As I’ve stated before, am I supposed to sacrifice my time (entertainment value of ultra’s or whatever I choose it to be) for their time? This is stating again that my opponents time is more valuable than my own. You’re placing them above me. What I choose to do with my time is what I choose, my opponent cannot control that, and shouldn’t even have the idea of trying to control that. If my opponent wants respect, that’s ok, they can want it. I am however not obligated to reciprocate what isn’t there. If they won’t respect my decision to ultra when I might want to, then I logically cannot respect their demand that I don’t do one.

That really is the biggest thing here for me. If I win, I can choose to ultra which isn’t always possible to triple or double ultra either. Sometimes you end a combo with a shadow cash out and that’s just it. No ultra game over. Other times you have a nice chunk of resources and have a little fun. That is a decision by the victor of the match. The opposite side is, don’t waste my time, don’t do an ultra, change the game so people can’t ultra me because I’m demanding I get my way.

If both sides were reasonable decision making arguments over the course of a match, I wouldn’t be so adamant. One side has a choice to have fun, the other is demanding we not have fun.

@Supermariofan20 I am a respectful player. I still get lots of comments of awe for my Fulgore ender juggle because not a lot of people actually see it. I’ve gotten comments like, I normally don’t appreciate ultra’s but that was sick dude! Seeing an ultra as a sign of disrespect has nothing to do with your opponent. It is you overvaluing yourself vs another person. That is partially the reason why I might be more inclined to do an ultra if I see certain names come up in a match. I played 4 matches with a guy last night, he tried to triple ultra me twice, and failed both times. I beat him the next match and showed him how it was done, I got my double ultra. Then we went to a 4th match and I picked my main and rather than have a close match, I bodied him and he left without a second thought. Did I care that he Ultra’d me twice? Not one bit, what I cared about was that I got enough matches to win some back. I care about playing the game. Video Games are a leisure activity. They are not mandatory, they are not required, they are a hobby which should serve as entertainment. Should always plan time to play so that you can enjoy it. Don’t have the ideal that, I MUST play 20 matches today, anyone that slows me down is disrespectful and blah blah blah.

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But you seem to misunderstand which side you’re on.

Having my time wasted is the opposite of fun. Insisting on putting a double or triple ultra at the end is demanding I not have fun, and the game unfortunately grants you your demand. I imaging I’m not the minority in feeling this way. I don’t even want to sit through one ultra, the fact that you can get more than that is just bad.

Do you really not see the irony in saying this when extending a match long after it’s actually over is controlling what your opponent can do with their time?

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The game has pretty strict rules about when a match is over, and when all requirements are met it signals that end with a screen like this:

But until those requirements are met, the match is not actually over.

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I suggest actually adding something to the conversation rather than trying to fan flames.

As for the Ultras/Multi Ultras/No Ultras debate, this isn’t the first time the discussion has come up and I can almost guarantee it won’t be the last. Both those who like multiple Ultras and those who want Ultras to be ended immediately or restricted to one have valid opinions, but there isn’t a way for the system to force behavior in such a way as to make both sides happy.

I personally enjoy performing full Ultras because I feel they’re stylish (though I make no claims to being the one to make the style happen); I will sometimes roll a full Ultra alone, sometimes a full Ultra/cance/Stage Ultra, sometimes a full Ultra, recapture, Ultra Ender. It depends on a lot of things, but in my case it stems from “would this look cool,” versus “take that, I win.” I also only do that when playing against someone truly random or by mutual agreement; friendly matches/sets with a real life/Xbox Live or forum friend I always Ultra Ender immediately because I’m more interested in the banter and getting to the next match.

I suppose the best advice I can give is to know your opponent, or at least acknowledge that your choice of Ultra can affect them in a negative way; if you’re the one being Ultra’d, it’s also worth noting that the extra/stylish Ultras are within the winner’s right to do. That doesn’t mean that you can’t be frustrated, annoyed, or upset about it, but you don’t have control over what they’re going to do. If you’re playing with friends, let them know you would prefer not to play with full ultras or multiple ultras; it’s a perfectly reasonable request.

As for the computer performing full Ultras, I have no knowledge of programming and don’t know whether it’s possible to program something like Ultra into immediate Ultra Ender; I don’t think it’s an unreasonable request. Who knows, maybe even another toggle?

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…but that’s asking a question.

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It was, but the purpose of the question was clear. Similar to past posted images.

The main point that both sides of the discussion need to understand is that neither opinion is more important than the other, and while communication between two players is a simple, easy way to find a proper middle ground on this topic there isn’t a simple way to do so programmatically because there’s no way for both sides to end up fully happy with the results.

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Can’t say anything around here…

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A player’s life bar being empty and the match being over are 2 completely different parameters the game has strict guidelines about that govern each. TJ’s instinct is actually a very good example against your statement, although he is an exception and not the rule, where if you aren’t careful when styling against him at the end of the match you could potentially fill his instinct meter thus giving him another “last breath” chance.

Other than that the only thing I would say is @xSkeletalx made an excellent post that I wholeheartedly agree with.[quote=“FengShuiEnergy, post:58, topic:15780, full:true”]
Can’t say anything around here…
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You could always try something constructive…

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I do…from time to time.

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Dude, take a deep breath. No one is forcing you to only play a certain way (always full ultra). Nor, might I add, do they appreciate being told to only play a certain way (always ultra ender/no ultras ever). Play the game, and have fun with it. Just don’t expect everyone else to abide by your personal thoughts on how it should be played. We all use (or don’t use) ultra combos in different ways, and not always the same way. No one could ever triple ultra all the time. Neither will the average player always ultra ender immediately.

If you no longer wish to participate in this discussion, or you think you get a little too heated to continue the debate; that’s fine. Just please don’t deflect/dismiss other forum members opinions. All input on both sides of a debate is valuable in one way or another.

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