So this dude is a big fan of SF?
He isn’t likely to ever be a big fan of KI?
Has never really showed any interest in KI?
So, after someone convinces him to try KI, we are suppose to hang on his every word of criticism?
I’m sorry, I just don’t see any value in the opinions of someone like that. I see no reason to believe they are objective opinions. SF is just another game that happens to have a long legacy so is the most popular. I get sick of people acting as if SF is the one true religion and it’s proponents and best players are prophets and seers.
He’s a fan of a lot of fighting games. Plays a lot of them, not just SF. He’s probably not going to be the biggest KI fan ever, but he’s shown a willingness to give KI a try, and he brings a different perspective than someone who might only play KI. I don’t see where anyone is being asked to hang on his every word of criticism. He certainly hasn’t acted that way. I think there’s value is asking someone who’s obviously a big fighting game fan and a big part of the fighting game scene what he likes/doesn’t like about a fighting game.
Uh… disingenuous is not an ad-hominem, nor is it an insult at you. It’s me saying the conversation has the wrong tone, and that we should change the tone if we want to have a productive conversation.
There was nothing about my post that was meant to be insulting or aggressive. I have no idea how it could have been taken that way. Maybe I’ll have to ask other people if my post was worded poorly, or if it’s coming across the wrong way. Because… man, Paul, you take offense to a lot of stuff and I have no idea how to converse with you.
It was meant to be a summary of your point. You didn’t use the word “unfair” specifically, but it was 6am and I didn’t want to scroll back to find your exact word. Change “unfair” to “inconsistent” if you like, but the takeaway message from my post doesn’t change.
Clearly Fulgore also has tons of strengths that Wulf doesn’t have. My intention is not to say Wulf > Fulgore. My intention is this: if you are going to compare the relative strengths of Wulf overhead vs Fulgore overhead, let’s talk about their entire toolsets in aggregate. Wulf has Overpower (an un-shadow counterable normal attack that is nearly half screen and plus on block), crouching light kick (+4 on block, maybe the most advantage normal in the game?), the dive kick (for positioning), and a much larger range on his overhead low mixup, which means he can threaten from farther out. Do these advantages play into Wulf’s overhead being unsafe or not?
If you think it still needs to be changed despite these points about Wulf’s gameplay, then okay… that is the discussion we should be having. Not just a raw comparison of numbers without any context.
If we were to talk about whether Fulgore’s overhead is too good or not, then we would talk about Fulgore’s toolset in aggregate the same way: his space control with fireballs, safe mixups with teleport, all the pip cancel stuff, etc.
Look, people are more likely to express distaste about something they don’t like than express positivity about something they do like. David plays this game because there’s something he likes in it, right? If you want him to give the game good publicity, ask him how he’s enjoying the game and what he likes about it.
You ever notice how its seems like 99% of the top influential players everyone idolizes, who’s opinions spark such controversy and whom we all discuss don’t come to the forums and talk about the game?
I suppose that makes sense from their perspective but that’s no reason not to participate with the community. There will always been people on both sides of the argument, you would think that they would come here and and post their opinions because obviously people think they hold so much weight that the pro’s fans are willing to die for their cause. I mean, posting here and letting the devs see constructive feedback is better than insulting them on Twitter or inciting a riot in a stream chat like children.
[quote=“ZDhome, post:18, topic:12527, full:true”]Why are you arguing that @llPaulBll cant speak for the competitive community, when you yourself are a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller voice than he is? You have no right to put in as much input as you have if you feel that even @llPaulBll s points are not valid.
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GalacticGeek is one person. Paul B is one person.
One person can speak for one person, and any other people who’ve agreed to allow a person to represent them.
@zdhome To say that because many people have complained about elements in killer instinct, the game must change, is frankly ridiculous. If the majority was listened to, Street Fighter would have no fireballs and no throws, and fighting games as a genre would be dead. I don’t know about online numbers, but tournament numbers disagree with your assessment that many people are quitting–or, at the very least, they suggest that significantly more people are getting into the game than are quitting. I sincerely doubt the online situation is bad either, considering how quickly and consistently I can get matches with players I’ve never run into before.
What is the topic? As far as I can tell, there is none. You didn’t say anything in your post, you just screenshotted some tweets without the rest of the context of the conversations had in them. What did you think was going to happen?
i’ve been meaning to speak on this, but I don’t think most of this is personal. Top players spend tons and tons of time training, and training very, very smartly. That means less time on the forums. What did Infiltration say as a rule to get better? Be a part of your OFFLINE scene, not join more forums. Forums are great and as others have said the devs are all over this one, but I’m not sure what a top player is supposed to get out of being here. They’re the ones creating tech from scratch not spending valuable training time not training
I mean if you look at video games as nothing more than a job then yeah, I could see why the focus would be nothing but playing but if you’re a fan and you like chilling with like-minded people who enjoy the same thing you do the forums are the place to be when you’re not working on your neutral game or trying to perfect the quadruple ultra combo.
Well, the real reason infiltration specified offline play is because SFV’s netplay has issues that make it difficult to get a meaningful training experience from online sessions. There’s plenty a top player can learn from coming to forums; not everyone building up tech with a character is making top 8s. Not every lab monster goes out and uses their tech to win events. I will concede though that these particular forums may not always be the most rewarding in terms of trying to seek out new stuff.
I think there’s an element of “I’m too important to waste my time discussing things with people.” I’m still waiting for @llPaulBll to explain how we are supposed to discuss UltraDavid’s tweets in any way other than how we already have.
I’m looking at the tweets, and I still don’t see much. I’m also left completely flat by the suggestion that this guy and his 25k twitter followers are SO IMPORTANT to the future of KI that we should be running around hyperventilating that he doesn’t like Raam’s instinct (even when he is mostly positive in that tweet). I can’t see any message in here other than “some guy has opinions.” Great. I hope he keeps tweeting about KI. He’s entitled to his opinions and maybe it will make someone want to check out the game.
I’m not really interested in cryptic and short periodic blasts from Paul about how I “don’t forum right,” because I don’t seem to understand what I’m supposed to do with these tweets. And the only thing less interesting than people calling Paul names is people telling him how great he is to try to get him to post more.
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I think he’s referring to RZR|Infiltration, of SF fame.
[/quote]Okay, with the exception of a select few (like Justin Wong and some of the guys I met at CEO), I don’t really know any SF pro stars.
Infiltration is quickly cementing himself as one of the best fighting game players in the history of the genre, and almost certainly the current strongest SF player. If you know who Justin and Daigo are, you should probably know who Infiltration is.
He also just won SFV at Evo a few days ago, the largest tournament in fighting game history. It’s a pretty big deal!
There are specific threads throughout this site that have I’m sure has helped out “Pro” players to some extent. I know the Kan-Ra community and I have been on a grind finding out things that are beneficial to the character, and we’ve even got some interaction with @F3Sleep on some occasions. In the Tekken community, I know tons of top players who have contributed to and learned things from forum members, especially during Tekken 5.0 days (when I was uber active in it).
The point I’m getting at is that top players can definitely benefit from being in the forums, contributing and learning in conjunction with their training regimen offline. Do you think top MvC2/UMvC3 Mag players who utilize the ROM combo got that on their own? No! It was originally a discovery in XvSF then in later games modifications to ROM was contributed by members in the community. Top players don’t always “create” tech, some of that stuff comes out of forum contributions…
