I agree with Storm as well @SneerfulWater57.
Failing Opener > Ultra gave me a trip to Loser’s Bracket with Pink Diamond at CEO when I went with Storm & MarbleDecker. It will save your life in so many situations. Lol
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Jeez Storm, do you even sleep?!
Noted. I think i try to guard them a little too much.
Somebody needs to make this a shirt. I’d buy it.
Either you’re a student of the game (no doubt you are) or i do that string too much. Probably the latter. Either way, yes, that’s true. It’s usually a go-to string for corner escapes. More recently, i’ve been trying to work that into a full juggle or start one. I have something ‘relatively’ down to muscle memory for one bar, one dragon juggle in the corner for about 41% damage off that start.
Sadira is one of the characters i see the least on ranked/exhibition so i don’t have a grasp on how to fight her after she got reworked awhile ago. Granted, the jumping in part is pretty much academic.
If i was pressing for a normal, i’ll admit, that’s probably me being foolish. Counter is probably more what i should be using.
Hmm, maybe someday ill take my play to a tournament. Sucks that Ohio doesn’t have much of a scene, it’s just everywhere AROUND Ohio that does.
Seriously though, @STORM179, @TheNinjaOstrich, @Infilament, @GalacticGeek, you guys humble me with your time and advice. At this point, i’m at info overload and probably need a solid while to mold all this together. Hell, i went and played two matches in ranked and got beat from having too much swimming in my head, heh. I’ll give it like another month or so, see where i take this.
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So, I decided to pick up Thunder again since his new skin released, and my DP is still suffering from inconsistency - I do the inputs for it and it either a) doesn’t come out at all, or b) comes out too late - both of which makes me easy to punish and hurts a large portion of Thunder’s setups that I could otherwise be using. If I could just DP consistently under pressure (I do it just fine in practice, at full-screen, and on wake-up most of the time) my level of skill would sky-rocket, and not just with Thunder.
I find that I have an easier time inputting the DP if I hold 
(assuming on left and facing right) before doing the DP, but this is often why it’s late when it works - because I’m effectively buffering the move and creating a tell in the process. I have tried using both the dpad and joystick on my controller - if I use the former, then “a” above happens. If I use the latter, then “b” above happens.
I’ve been trying to get this right for YEARS now and still can’t get it consistently 100% of the time (or comfortably close enough to it at any rate).
Is there a trick to it that I’m not aware of? I was just fighting @SlenderCashew50, and due to Thunder’s floaty jump, his Jago was able to consistently DP me on reaction (which I’m not fast enough to do myself). What I found interesting was that he also had a tell - he would always crouch just before the DP. How do you crouch before doing the move when you’re supposed to press forward 1st?
Traditionally, a DP looks like a “Z” with it’s input motion. That doesn’t help me, and it never has since the SF2 days. I’ve come to learn that the input can often be done like a QCF fireball, but simply by pressing forward 1st, so instead of QCF I could simply do FQCF. While this works for me, I often get a punch or fireball instead. If I hold forward for a second I can pull off the move more consistently, but then I can’t react quickly to certain things my opponent does that I otherwise should be able to. I know that I don’t have to press forward a second time, and can simply stop at 
, but then that’s what often causes the move to not happen.
How do I build up my DP speed and consistency? How’d you learn it? Practice mode no longer helps, because as I said earlier, I can land it all of the time in there because there is no pressure (or lag for that matter).
Any advice in this matter and/or answers to my questions would be bcc appreciated.
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This, among the “with more patience I would be better” are two lines who some people easily say, but it’s not that easy.
If you can’t input a dp under pressure, although you are capable to do it without pressure, the problem is not the motion: it’s your nerves.
And being cold blooded and remain focused to being capable to do whatever you want, whenever you want, it’s THE ultimate skill. You could do crazy combos and setups, but if you lose your focus during a match regularly, you are going to be destroyed by other people.
There is no magic trick. Just hours and hours of practice against people who obliterates you. People who pushes you, who makes you unconfortable. You could practice DP x1000 per day on the lab, but then fail every time against a real opponent. You have just to play against better people than you, so you get out of your confort zone, so you can start to adapt, trying to remain focused on a stressful situation.
You(anybody) could do extraordinary fights with incredible tech against people who doesn’t push your limits, but you need to get them pushed out to achieve greatness. Fight more sets with people who beats you regularly(Slender is a good test subject, he is a great player). Eventually, your DPs will become more realible.
I’m speaking about hundreds, maybe thousands of hours Geek. Again, the problem is not the DP motion(or your skills to do it), is your skill to remain focused. And the way to get over it, is just putting yourself in bad situations, until you begin to mechanically do the correct motions/decisions.
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While I understand what you’re saying, I hate that you say “hours and hours of practice” - I’ve put 3 years+ towards this game (over 80 days real-time from what that game itself tells me) and over 2 decades of my life to FGs in general - I can’t help but think that it should’ve “clicked” by now.
Also, while I realize that Slender is a good player, he has a tendency to run away, which is something I find incredibly annoying despite being a valid strategy.
as shago i had to run away cuzz thudner has the better preassure as jago i only ran away when i had to
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Not necesary. With an extreme example:
You could play KI for 20 years against 5 years old kids who doesn’t know to play. Then, you fight against someone who has played for 5 months, but trained himself against pro stars players, pushing his limits, and he smash you
IMO you are too rooted in your confort zone: You play less than you should against better players. I don’t want to be mean with this Geek, but you aren’t a fearsome opponent because when you are stressed, you crumble. And it’s easy for a good player to find how to stress you, so you start commiting mistakes.
Have you wasted that time? Not at all, but IMO you could use some time fighting against people harder to beat. Go for ranked instead of exibition, or go to exibition against people who can push your limits. Maybe, with you previous practice, you need less time to get used to deal with stress, but if you don’t, you will never get a true improvement
Go into training and do 50 DPs from both sides without messing up a single one.
If you can do this, then you should be able to do them in real matches, but part of me thinks this is something you will struggle to do yet. Try to do them “quick”, as if you were reacting to a jump… don’t wind up with a long walk forward or whatever first. Press buttons in between your DPs as if you were trying to hit an opponent on the ground, using different inputs (so press fwd + a button, then back + a button, then a crouching button, etc). This will change the “feel” of each DP.
If you struggle in real matches still, just play more real matches and try to focus on doing DPs (even if you lose). Play with a friend who understands what you are trying to do if you would prefer not to lose to randoms online.
This is a great example. I don’t have to read this to know about this, just playing 3 matches against you could give me this info. Then, I would start running away from you(if my character allows that) so you start commiting mistakes.
You should play more against people who runs away, since it’s a weak point for you. And the way to overcome it it’s not some pro tips: it’s facing that problem over and over, so you can learn by yourself what are you doing wrong. I could point your mistakes on a match, but it woulnd’t help you, since that situation makes you feel nervous, so you will commit the same mistakes.
Practice, practice, and more practice. Nothing more, nothing less
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@SlenderCashew50 I can understand needing and getting space, but you always seem to go full-screen, even when only 1 or 2 backward dashes was all you really needed. Also, while you’re right about the matchup, you did it with Jago too until I pointed it out to you.
@Dayv0 Ranked players are most often jerks. Also, I get more matches with individuals in exhibition. If I could get the continual matches of exhibition with kind and skilled players, that’d be what I would choose. Sadly, though, @SlenderCashew50 is the ONLY skilled player that actively seeks me out on nearly a daily basis, and while I appreciate that, I can only learn and practice so much with 1 person. Even when I seek out other skilled players myself, they’re often too busy or come up with excuses (here’s looking at you @STORM179 - you’ve passed me up 2x in a row now).
@Infilament I have done that. Guess, what? Doesn’t work (in actual matches). I do think it’s a nerve thing because of this.
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But it’s a totally valid tactic, and he is in his right to do so. You shoulnd’t complain about it, even for a second, your mind should be thinking about “how to overcome this”, not in “I don’t like to fight this”
I don’t know how to put this properly, but the more skilled you are, the less jerks you will find. Why? because you will stomp them. I win most of my matches on ranked, and the people who wins me rarely teabags or multitaunts. The better you are, the easier to beat the jerks are. It’s a fact. There are top players who are jerks, but, to my experience, they are usually not that good players. Also, it’s good to play against someone who doesn’t know how to fight you AND you don’t know how to fight.
Seriously, try ranked for a while. It will help you. But…
This doesn’t help you. If Storm hasn’t played with you that 2 times, he probably was busy. You don’t have to point that out, because you seem too pride about being rejected. That attitude will make that some people doesn’t like to play with you. If someone couln’t play with you… they couldn’t. End of the line.
I have saw you passing some people on the GGs thread, and they don’t question you about avoiding them for X reasons.
Everyone has a life Geek, and not everyone is avaible for you at any given time. Be more humble and less… “demanding”… and more people would fight you
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“Ranked players are most often jerks.” So? Why does it matter? You should still play against them and learn how to deal with jerks. Btw going full screen is creating space. You complain about no one actively seeking you out. Have you considered why? You might respond with "People get the wrong impression of me on the forums. I’m actually nice…just give me a chance 
) How about instead of complaining about it, change it instead. Actively seek others. Show them that you are worth seeking out after. People never really ask me for sets except @ItzTymeToDul and @KevBones10. I don’t complain about it. Also @STORM179 was busy twice and you are complaining? Remember last set where you had to go? I didn’t complain did I?
Tl:Dr
Don’t complain that others aren’t actively seeking you out. You complaining about it discourages others from playing with you. Seek them out yourself and prove them wrong.
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@Dayv0 The thing about ranked though is that I do win most of my matches in ranked (my seasonal record proves this). And despite this, many people are still jerks. Furthermore, I fight a lot more unskilled players in ranked than I do skilled players (playing ranked right now and got 4 silver players in a row).
@Sasuke99I I do seek others out. Every single day.
I’m talking about a 70% victory ratio or so. Having a 55% means nothing.
On ranked people plays for win.
On exibition some people plays for win, other for trying characters, other for relax…
You will find more competitive people on ranked. If you don’t want, it’s your choice. But playing 200 ranked matches will help you more than 400 exibition matches
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Having a 55% means nothing.
[/quote]This is a false statement - it means “better than most.”
Then be happy with that. But that percentage means that you win golds (and below) and some killers,but there are thousands of players who are better than you.
And since you want to improve (elsewhere, you wouldn’t be posting here ), a 55% is a bad result.
But if you want to be literal… well your choice. But a 55% victory percentage is average at most, not good or great
Honestly and truthfully the only way to get better at a DP is to learn to consistently pull it off. I used to suck at DPs, but by learning to play Jago, Shago, Thunder, Orchid of whom all use DP motions plus P/K you sort of get used to it. Also while DPs are great tools, they aren’t the game changer. I’ve played Jagos who could DP like no tomorrow, but their game play failed in almost every other category.
Also just because you put “years” into KI doesn’t mean that you aren’t going to struggle with characters you don’t use all the time. I generally suck with other characters other than Sadira because I generally and ONLY use her. There is no shame with struggling with a character you haven’t used that often. We all do. Just go into practice as Infil said and get to Dping. 
I didn’t bring up 55% - you did, and I don’t even know why. I’m better than that.
EDIT: Figured out where you got the 55% from. Those are lifetime stats, not seasonal. It doesn’t indicate my skill level right now and it also reflects playing characters that I’m not good with (much like how I’m doing with Thunder to practice his DPs), for the 20 ranked wins achievements.
@SoSRaGnArOk I know that DPs aren’t generally game changers, but they are if you can’t do them and make up for a lot of a character’s mixups (as with Thunder). I don’t want to play half a character.
Then your way to improve is clear; play tons and tons of matches where you get nervous until you don’t get nervous anymore. Play exclusively DP-motion characters for a while so you get maximum practice. Don’t care about winning/losing while you do this.
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Then play Dp/throw in a long set against someone until you can do dps consistently. Then try to do dps and throw only against randoms. Don’t care about winning. Then try to master it from there.
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