My guess is with all the publicity they’ve given the subject today players will be going out of their way to make sure they have to enforce it.
Of course this is legal because it’s not teabagging.
As far as I’m concerned teabagging is repeatedly crouching on top of someones knocked down body. Not from half screen away.
And you’re right that if someone draws a line, it’s gonna be totally arbitrary. But to me that’s still better than no line at all when it comes to disrespectful behavior. It’s like with determining which drugs are illegal and which aren’t.
In Germany we even have a list of insults that shows how much it will cost you if you say that to a police officer. The point you should take from that isn’t “Oh hey, if I’m calling him an idiot I only have to pay 50 bucks instead of the 100 that “a-hole” would cost me, so let’s do that”. No, the point is you shouldn’t insult a police officer (or any stranger really) at all.
I hope you’re joking, because you of all people must know that I wasn’t talking about TB…
Also, I never suggested that cyber-bullying had any kind of Direct link to teabagging.
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No wonder this community is dying.
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It isn’t.
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Oh no, I don’t think you were defending teabags, nor did I intend to imply such. I am also aware that you weren’t the one erroneously conflating teabagging with bullying. When I read your defense of your behavior, it occured to me that it is rather similar to how I imagine teabagging would defend itself, were it not a mere verb. Sorry for the confusion.
RE: Community dying - be it from b-list “pros” or random polish dudes, this will stay funny. Though I’m worried a little about all the bad press.
The baggery that started it all was mid match. IIRC it wasn’t even a HKD, dude just sucked too bad to quickstand reliably, despite his quick mouth. It’s this type of bagging, I feel, that is worth defending and maintaining - the mid match call out. Apart from slightly more developed scenarios, 'tween-bar bagging is notably weak.
Lol, I just pictured a teabag with arms, legs, and a mouth saying everything in his post.
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I hope you mean an actual teabag that you, you know, make tea with… 
Otherwise, if not, GROSS! 
No, he’s picturing an actual tea bag, y’know, for dunking in a cup of hot water for making delicious tea?
As a Brit I personally 100% approve and feel Mr T.bag should be taken on as some sort of mascot for every time this subject is bought up. 
Just a anthropomorphic tea bag with arms and legs talking in motivational phrases like “if you’re gonna play, play friendly kids!” and “if you’re gonna brew, ask if they’d like a cup, too!”
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Alright. More than enough has been said here, so I’ll try to make it as short as possible.
It is a largely unenforceable rule because of intent.
While a good thing to promote sportsmanship and respect, as we can see from the Yokoh/Moxy match, you can have both.
The player should have just immediately been banned, no reprieve (honestly, check out the post. He’s hostile, but as soon as they say he’s going to get banned if he doesn’t apologize, he’s tough guy no more). That sends a way better message than “hey this dude got teabagged and threatened violence, so we’re going to be extra tough on teabagging.”
We now have a long line of pro players & immature folks (not that the two are exclusive) throwing out posts on every possible public outlet that they will taunt, teabag and do whatever else they possibly can to disrespect other players. As if we didn’t have enough of that before 
Whether you like to admit it or not, it is a tactic to get into the mind of your opponent. And if something like teabagging in a video game makes you feel like someone is simulating their balls/clams all over your beaten body, maybe you need to take a step back and re-evaluate what exactly it is that is really making you mad.
But you can. In my mind, a reasonable person is someone who doesn’t see teabagging as a rude gesture but rather a hilarious action and would not be upset enough to lose control. Mind games are a core aspect of KI, this is another layer to take advantage of but its only there because people let it get to them. Why? What about someone thinking they’re better than you by pressing down multiple times is causing you to rage? And if you know you’re better, why not just shrug it off and move on?
Just like a reasonable person wouldn’t get upset about someone yelling profanities at them, giving them the middle finger, writing hateful messages to them online etc.
A reasonable person would just shrug it off and don’t let it get to them.
However, that doesn’t change what the intent is behind the harrassment. And that the people who do these things are being d-bags.
Yet not all have that tough skin, actually ALOT of people lets it get to them, and they can’t help it! It’s not like they CHOOSE to let it get to them. Just saying “grow up” or say “grow tougher skin” won’t magically change that.
It’s awesome that there are people here who can just shrug it off without considering it further. But it doesn’t excuse the act of harrassment in the first place.
“The bullet didn’t hit me, so I don’t care, people should just not get hit by bullets instead of trying to prevent the bullet to be shot to begin with.”
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A reasonable person would get upset about this.
But comparing that, or being shot with a gun, to watching your opponent’s avatar crouch over your avatar several times in rapid succession?
I don’t see a reasonable person getting upset over that.
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I agree the rule is unnecessary, but I’m not sure it deserves this uproar. Especially when I’m told that it was effective last year too. The only real difference is that a lot more people know about it now.
But after this controversy, there’s a good chance some people at the event will provocatively try to protest the rule (as indicated by some of the comments here), which will only make the issue messier. I really hate these situations.
People are different though. Some might think of “your momma” jokes as the pinnacle of humor while others just find them plain rude.
And I’m still baffled how people say the rule is not enforceable. Every reasonable gamer would be able to identify real teabagging. We might not know the intention behind it but that’s irrelevant. If the rule simply says “no teabagging”, it’s easy.
@ZeroSyndicate I just watched your video and without knowing your history with this guy or whether it all was in good fun, you would get DQed by KIWC rules. I’m not counting the mid-match incident or all the repeated taunting btw. To a spectator that doesn’t know both of you guys it looks like you massively disrespected him and I think that’s not something Brandon wants to see displayed at his tournaments which I fully support.
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+1.
I can think of a couple of ways someone could do an accidental “teabag” that appears authentic…mostly involving continuing a combo after a life meter has drained (trying for a 4x battery ender, running the clock down on the opponent’s instinct), and you perhaps misjudge the KV meter and you get a blowout while your fingers are still inputing qcf P, qcf P. It’s gonna be pretty hard to convince them you weren’t teabagging. What if you’re Spinal, and after you end the green bar with a combo and you want to get skulls, but the opponent hits the ground before you can finish your unput? All you’re going to see is down, down.
And these are just 2 examples of how there is now some gray area. I’m not saying these examples are good necessarily, but they would certainly be enough for an uptight losing player to use to get his bad match or opponent thrown out, or at the least hold up the tournament so they can sort out whether the teabagee has a case to complain or not.
And if an incident like this does happen, I honestly don’t see the tournament being able to pull itself back out of the toxic cesspool it will degrade into.
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If it’s a borderline case like you described then of course they wouldn’t be DQed. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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…but would his opponent or his fans?
I’m a real life martial artist, any time someone was being disrespectful in any way the trainer sent that person home for a whole week or even a month, or while competing the judge gave a warning to not do it again or that person is out. If you lack of respect and education you don’t deserve to compete, because a competition is about fighting, not to look down other people, even if it’s a virtual game, no matter where, education and respect is a must and sadly there’s alot of people that doesn’t even know those words exists.
So, in my opinion, if anyone couches at least twice, stays couched for too long and very close to the other player, that’s enough to be considerated tea-bagging, and I find it fair to disqualify that person, in any other case… let’s say the judge can give the benefit of the doubt… unless it’s the 3rd or 4th time… then that’s being cheeky.
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