The point in disagreement is, just too avoid these situations:
As you said, i can fine-tune my tick game. But in my perception is like playing in slow motion because i need to wait for the hitstun to end for then be able to grab. I already worked a lot in this timing but well, it will always feel that this is too slow.
If I recall, you come from KoF, which I have played very very very little of. Things may be different there, and so Iāll concede that yours is a niche case and may be a hard adjustment to make. There are also probably other games where command grabs combo into hitstun without other special requirements.
In my experience, as a general rule, it is unwise to cancel buttons into command grabs for that very reason. Itās just how command grabs work. It is a definitive element of the grappler archetype, and always has been. It is okay not to like it, but it is not a problem with the character, the archetype, or the move itself. Thatās just how this classification of hitbox works.
Also, totally not trying to be a jerk with any of this, but isnāt pretty much everything about RAAM like playing in slo-mo?
I donāt know of a single 2D fighting game that lets you combo into command grabs by canceling from a normal, unless you put them in a specific state first (KI stagger).
Grabbing someone in hit stun doesnāt lead to good grappler design.
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@Infilament this is Clark
Maybe Iām wrong at all and these are not hitstun combos, but wowā¦
PS.: I think that Jax and Jason can do it on MK9 an X also.
this trash, this f*****n trash right here is what Iām talking about, I L then command grab and the grab whiffs and lets the opponent get a free combo. makes me WRYYYYYYYYYYY in anger every time.
Just calm a bit, i know how annoying it is but as people stated before KI do not allow grab on hitstun. You need to wait for the animation to end and then grab, takes some time to get adjusted to this and for now itās all we can do about it.
Iām pretty sure those are pressure strings and not combos, but I donāt know KoF98 that well. I donāt think whatās happening here is someone being command grabbed out of hit stun.
Also, there is a difference between a āhit grabā (ie, Ibukiās raida), which plays a grab animation when it hits and can be comboed into, vs a real command grab which is unblockable.
Donāt do a command grab while they are in hit or block stun then? When this happens, it is the playerās fault.
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I donāt mean I deliberately do an L then input a command grab to try to combo, I input the command grab and it throws out an L then the command grab immediately after resulting in a whiffed grab.
Yeah but thatās just input error stuff that can happen to a bunch of characters. If you practice some cleaner inputs (or go into training with āinput displayā turned on, so you can see what your hands are doingā¦ often itās not what you think), then this problem will be less of an issue.
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Iāll not say they are not, you understand more about this stuff them me but you may check others kof videos of Goro (this one is clear because hes a lot slower then clark) Clark, Tizoc and Raiden. IMO they all can hitstun+grab, but maybe Iām wrong on my concept.
Iām definitely not the worldās biggest expert on KoF, so itās entirely possible they do have command grabs that work in regular hit stun.
Even if itās true, itās still extremely rare and tends to not be how grapplers work. KoF would be the first example of it Iāve ever heard that doesnāt involve some special hit stun state, like KI stagger or SFV crush counter. Would have to ask a KoF veteran.
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I do. Was the first thing i tried when i started to play RAAM by the first minute i got him.
Donāt feel bad man. This is a tough idea to get through to any player even players that have been playing this game for a while. I started 3 years ago playing as Thunder and learnt early on that you have to wait for a second for the block stun after many a time going for jp.HP into command grab way too quickly. And this still plagues me to this day.
Just work on it in the dojo. Youāll pick it up Iām sure.
okay okay guys look
this happens like every other twenty fifth match, itās just an intense annoyance when I lose because of it
I get the grab out 98% of the time
please I have a lvl 50 RAAM I deserve better treatment for this I am clearly of the highest calibur
are you getting a tone with me youngin
No but Iām done feeding this troll thread. Iām out.
No one cares what level your character is. Level isnāt the same as skill.
@infilament comboing into command grabs, hit grab or otherwise, is standard in KOF. Also, in mortal kombat you can juggle into command grabs, and in blazblue (and uniel too iirc) you can always combo into grabs, but theyāre techable. SFV also lets you combo into grab supers
Its not exactly standard in FGs to be able to combo into grabs but its also not that uncommon.
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