I think he’s a pretty good character even now, yeah.
But if we’re talking about trying to create the “perfect” S3 by making small tweaks here and there (and maybe some larger tweaks to some other characters), or at least what my personal definition of a “perfect” S3 would be, then I would probably tweak Wulf ever so slightly. He doesn’t get instinct damage back, 2-hit heavy linkers back, or any of the other stuff that was a bit out of whack in S2, though.
l can definetly see where your coming from, thanks as always for your awesome contributions
I highly hope you will consider adding this guy as a guest fighter in the near future.
Yeah, I think people forget how different Spinal/Fulgore were to the “basic” first 6 characters in KI (who actually weren’t all that basic at all). S2 involved IG trying out lots of different ideas, some of which were great and others that needed to be tweaked to fit in the game. KI 2013 has always been about experimentation; if you want combat mechanics that are straightforward and easy to apply, I think you’ll need to look at a different game.
I’m also puzzled by the “S3 is so different” remarks. Kim Wu and Tusk are among the most grounded, least flashy characters in the entire game. Rash and Mira are comparable to Sadira in terms of how much they disrupt “traditional play”. Only really Gargos is super out of left field to me.
And LCD also mentioned that he thinks some matchups are just “two people doing stuff” without regard for the matchup… I don’t really know what this means. If you’re talking about a homogenous game plan, then S1 Sadira didn’t care about much either. Even if she was losing, most Sadiras just kept doing the same thing until it worked or they died. What about Mika in SF5? Her gameplan is almost always the same regardless of the matchup, and if you don’t have a reversal then she literally fishes for irish whip and then runs set play on you until you die. If people think Mika is an anomaly and not representative of “true SF”, then I’d have to question their knowledge of the history of the genre. Characters like these are in every game.
That all said, I don’t think KI is like that. The two-way interaction by definition kind of prevents that from happening to the same extreme as other games, and if you are just jumping/floating around without consideration for your opponent, then you are playing suboptimally in almost every case. You might be winning, but it’s not because you are playing optimally, and this playstyle will fall apart as the game develops.
If they’re talking about how S3 changed older characters, then… well, I would have to hear them point to very specific mechanics. Some people don’t like flipout, I suppose, but I don’t think it’s that bad (it does crank the game pace up, though). I think there are a few characters that feel a little too permanently juiced, but it’s nothing small tweaks couldn’t fix, and it’s also not that extreme compared to past seasons.
Can you imagine a world where people could express their point of view without throwing insults and disgust all over the place? Maybe these players, with well thought out and explained arguments, could impact the development of the game in a positive way by pointing to some of these mechanics they think could be tweaked. Seems the ship has sailed on that one, though. (This paragraph is not talking about this thread)
While I agree that we shouldn’t pretend the thoughts of a few represent the entire community, I do want to stress that there is a very real consequence to negativity from our top players. Not just in terms of the future of the game’s direction (ie, Keits being less open on twitter), but in terms of how it impacts people’s enjoyment of games all the way down the line. There was a reason I wasn’t on these forums for the past 2-3 weeks, and I seriously considered my entire involvement in this community.
Well glad to see you still post, I personally think your posts are some of (if not) the most insightfull ones on the messageboard here, but also always very professional and polite.
You’re like the knowledgeble daddyfigure setting an example for his children, now if only they would listen better 
Must be puberty…
we are so lucky to have u
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While I agree that we shouldn’t pretend the thoughts of a few represent the entire community, I do want to stress that there is a very real consequence to negativity from our top players. Not just in terms of the future of the game’s direction (ie, Keits being less open on twitter), but in terms of how it impacts people’s enjoyment of games all the way down the line. There was a reason I wasn’t on these forums for the past 2-3 weeks, and I seriously considered my entire involvement in this community.
[/quote]Its just ugly that the actions of a handful of over-privileged players can taint the image of the other 99.9% of the community who are actually good people who love the game regardless of how much weight those people’s opinions might carry.
I wish everyone didn’t put these guys on a pedestal because there is no way their opinions reflect the community as a whole. They’re human, not the KI Illuminati that run the scene from the top tier of gaming society. I couldn’t give any less of a ■■■■ of Joe Shmoe placed top of some tournament and he thinks the devs need to bend the game to his tastes because he represents “the community” or something. Let the devs do the game balance, and don’t make everyone else look bad because you’ve got a stick up your butt theoretical professional KI guy who thinks he’s hot ■■■■.
Its just gross that we all get shamed because a couple of guys are having a moody day and post some crap in chat or on Twitter. Shame those turds, not the entire player base because the majority of us don’t give a flying freak about it. As far as I’m concerned the KI community is amazing still, the only opinion that has changed for me is that of the “top” players who are acting like babies.
[quote=“Blacklash93, post:160, topic:11921, full:true”]I’m going to start calling this the “Killer Instinct Cycle” if all this drama and doom-and-gloom repeats again during a Season 4.
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When, my friend. Not if, but when.
Forget the KI community, we might have World Peace on the table if people could do this. 
Don’t lose hope. We really need reasonable voices like you who help keep this community away from the edge. Negativity and toxicity win when the positive, civil, and constructive people jump ship or give in. The community is going through a bad phase right now, but it can pass if the people who love and enjoy the game stay.
They have followings. Literal Twitch followers/subs, people who nod in unison with their self-aggrandizing rants, etc. It’s not just three people.
Regardless, if outsiders coming into the community are likely to experience this garbage then it’s disingenuous to claim that the community doesn’t have a problem. You have to take the community in aggregate. You can’t play the “no true Scotsman” card and redefine the community to exclude these elements, nor can you just come up with a label to apply to the problematic subset of the community and then claim that things are fine outside of that subset, without doing something to change how they warp the community experience. That’s just playing semantic games without responding to the problem that people are experiencing.
Shaming the community in aggregate isn’t an indictment of you, or the parts of the community that are fine. Rather than taking it as a tarring of all aspects of the community, take it as a call to arms of sorts: a test to see how well you and your community can disown the bad elements and neutralize their influence upon it. Actual marginalization of the bad elements, not just renaming things. Merely playing semantics about whether the entire community is at fault is not helpful, it’s just you sticking your head in the sand.
All good man, there’s other places for discourse of that nature
I can agree with some of the Kim Wu mechanics as I’d already expressed my findings early on and many tried to shut it down as ‘how can you know this a month of a character’s release’ type responses oh well
any character played by each person is going to have different results obviously…
I agree with the above posters as to what is the KI gold for ?
Does anyone have a response as to why there are no character costumes/ accessories colors beyond the figure exclusives and retro color 7s?
I would love to see an update to Kims ender potential and not so much buffs as to an explanation of her design in the form of dojo mode for her Arsenal, then there wouldn’t be this massive WTF from everyone, if you provide her tools for her success in game.
Even with a small team of designers who are creating costumes, it’s hard to realize it’s that hard to make ONE MORE outfit for these characters.
This is one of the best posts in the thread I’ve read so far! I urge folks to check out post #146 by @BigBadAndy. I basically copied/pasted most of the post but consider what’s below as my highlights.
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… Different people have different wants and needs for the game. That’s fine. But the tournament players are RARELY respectful about what people who aren’t part of “the scene” might want for the game. And you get stuff like this:
CrazyLCD:
Season 3 feels like the casual season in terms of content meaning they are just adding things to keep the casual player which is fine, a lot of casual players are there and will enjoy this content but don’t neglect the other side. A player such as myself has no interest in using Shadows, or has any intention of going through Shadow Lords…[edited for space] Making sure your players have the tools to learn and compete [emphasis added] in the game in the best ways should be of the highest priorities. The core gameplay is what should matter most.
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This means - stop doing that other stuff and do what I want you to do. For me and my friends. Again, this is fine feedback. But I’m not seeing how unique, insightful and special it is.
SoSRaGnArOk:
There is nothing wrong with guest characters, but they shouldn’t have more priority over main lore characters. My goodness what IG has done, would be like replacing Sub-Zero or Scorpion with Kratos. There is a place for guests in KI, but they should be bonus… you know the extra icing on the cake type of thing.
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This is just an opinion. You are entitled to it and so is LCD. But it has nothing to do with game balance, participating in tournaments or merit. This is the kind of feedback that takes up most of LCD’s wall of text above and makes me ask, again, why is he so special that he needs a thread to complain about guest characters?
And just because it’s a pet peeve, every measurable and available piece of data tells us that the guest characters are making a huge impact in the visibility of KI. And you guys who pretend to be so passionate about the future of the game do nothing but complain about them while focusing with tunnel vision on your own pet problems with balance and tournaments. Doesn’t make sense to me.
SoSRaGnArOk:
The fact is folks, whether you want to believe it or not, many S1/S2 fans have dropped KI completely. One of my best buds and fellow Sadirite (Call me Vertigo) dropped KI. What about Deviljinn? Or my Saber pal CtrlAltDenied? Both of them gone. These are people that I looked up to and I enjoyed playing with.
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People quit playing games. You can’t prevent this. People come and go. The idea that these folks left KI because the game got screwed up is just ridiculous. The stuff that is being complained about for KI (game balance particularly) is ten times worse in every other game. Marvel is the WORST balanced game - and has been throughout the series. But people keep playing it. The idea that “oh, so and so left the game because IG screwed up the balance,” is just nonsense.
I am certain that this is the unjust reward for the developers being available and willing to discuss their decisions about the game. Familiarity breeds contempt and we now have a bunch of guys who are sure they know more about KI and could do it better than the devs and they make posts saying that. Whereas Harada wears a “don’t ask me for ■■■■” t-shirt and everyone thinks he’s a rockstar. I’m sure Tekken 7 will have the same 6 characters that are tournament viable on a roster of 60 and somehow people will feel that this is okay.
As far as KI, this isn’t entirely undeserved. When you ask people questions, they expect you to take their answers seriously and do what they want. Unfortunately, for KI we have a whole bunch of people passionately contributing and so not everyone is going to get what they want. Then they feel like “why are they nonsensically ignoring my awesome thoughts while doing things I didn’t suggest?” And we get monologues like this one. I tend to think that people should be grown ups about it and try to look at it from the devs perspective of incorporating lots of disparate feedback into their own vision of the game. But people consistently act like children and just demand stuff, adding more and more exclamation points over time.
IG/MS fear that they’ll be seen as cheap or cash grabbers if they decide to create DLC separate from the seasons. I know it sounds dumb and ridiculous. But even a small mention of DLC can get people hating on a game for no reason.
This is why they want to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that it’s ok with the community to do things like this.
Yeah, I understand, which is ultimately why I came back. Mostly I think I just needed some time away (and perhaps I could have used even longer, I had planned to not come back until the end of the summer originally) to reflect on exactly what I want to get out of this community, and what I think I can provide to it. It’s not the first time the community has been exceedingly negative, either, but it finally culminated in something that did real damage and it was just pathetic to watch. I need to stop talking about it or else I will say something I’ll regret.
Point is, despite knowing what the “right thing” to do is, it doesn’t make it any easier, especially if your personality type leaves you extra prone to that type of stuff, as mine does. You just get worn out.
True, but Vertigo and I do play SFV every now and then on PS4. While losing the Xbox was a factor in not playing KI, he was going to be switching to SFV as soon as it dropped anyway. Now that he has Ibuki again, I doubt I’ll ever see him grace the Sadira screen.
He’s been flooding Youtube with Ibuki vids. Crazy stuff to be sure.
Same here.
How that Gargos page coming along by the way? 
Surprisingly, almost done! I will post it some time this week.
Well, I hope EVO gives us nice stuff to talk about and reflect on afterwards. A hype tournament or memorable top 8 can maybe heal some wounds.
i recall him bringing up ibuki, i tried to give SFV a shot but i just cant get into it. thats another discussion topic though lol