They do! Thats why we included both ways of looking at the data. I find the averages to be a bit more accurate, but messier to look at.
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even though I donât beleivr in tiers I must agree that this chart feels more accurate to the cast.
Thanks for some interesting numbers
(WARNING: nerd post incoming)
You had a lot of contributers to this list, so as the number rise, any âoutliersâ (numbers that are just so far out of the data distribution that they donât seem to fit and might just be worth discarding) should be minimized in the mean, and the median and mean should approach the same number. Unless there are actually two or more different populations being polled and the âcorrectâ answer doesnât have a normal distribution (bi-modal distribution for example). âNormalâ distribution represents a single average answer, which is what we would expect for a single population of gamers playing a game (itâs tough to think of any scenario that wouldnât produce a normal distribution for a poll like this). So, as the number of people participating rise, theoretically the mean and the median get closer to the same and you would recognize this as the idealized average value.
For some on topic relevance, if you take out any emotional inflation or downplaying of scores, and assume everyone is answering truthfully, you could look at the matchups where you see a different median and mean score and those would be matchups that are probably not âsolvedâ by the community. Meaning the variance in opinion probably comes from the fact that people donât have a shared understanding of what the optimal way for one or both characters to play the matchup is.
Damn. Poor Cinder. Lol
For those wondering why Kilgore is Top 5âŠ
Watch Daymein or Sleep and youâll see that heâs not only strong but also kind of busted.
Sadira 4-6 Gargos⊠that is a joke. Itâs more like 3-7 if that even. That match up is broken. Itâs pretty much cheating to use Gargos against Sadira, and I treat it as such.
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Where can I find that at
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I agree with you. 4-6 is a joke for that matchup.
Can you go in detail why you think that?
I assume that you think Gargosâs zoning is so good that Sadieâs canât get in. But she can still use meter to get in right? Is there anything else that Iâm missing?
In my chart I put it as 6.5-3.5 in Gargos favor
J. Hk nullifies Sadira air approachs, s.HK nullifies cross up mixups, m. Reckoning has upper body invulnerability, h. PP beats jumpsâŠ
And thats only speaking about defense.
I didnât put any 7-3 MU, but this one is one of the closer to be.
Still, Sadira mixups, specially involving flipouts, are very powerful and Gargos bad defense means that he could be easily dunked until instinct activation. So I conceded that extra 0.5 to her
I will post later a deeper analysis of my data
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The problem with the match up is that Gargos can zone her from afar and he can keep her out up close. The only real option that Sadira has is to literally tip toe up to him, blocking the entire way, of which gives Gargos heaps of meter, so by the time she gets to him, he can summon a minion. You canât even punish him during the summon animation, as during the match up his summon animation stops the match a bit. If Sadira is close enough, she can use Shadow Demon Blade to get in on him as it is the ONLY ârelativelyâ safe move she has to get in on him. BUT it has to be perfect. If Iâm even the slightest too far from him, I will get pummeled.
If Sadira tries to take him from the air, all Gargos has to do is hit jumping HP to knock her clear back to the other side of the screen. It starts over from there.
If I manage to get past that, all he has to do is cr. HK (I believe) of which creates an aura of purple flame around him.
I have a 62% win rate with Sadira and I lose 99% of all matches against Gargos, even bad newer Gargos players.
Granted if I can finally get in, I can do some damage to him, but the fact is Gargos has been given far too many gifts than he deserves.
Itâs standing HK, but that normal has very bad frame data on block/whiff.
May I ask, @SoSRaGnArOk, have you played as Gargos for a while?
Gargos has SERIOUS holes in his defense(and his offense!) which can be exploited. My recomendation is: play as Gargos for a while, specially against Sadira. You will learn how to open him.
Not saying that is an easy ride, Gargos wins this MU, but maybe an easier one.
Iâm just glad Glacius is high than I expected 
Sorry Dayv0, I misunderstood your question⊠Have I actually played as Gargos⊠Yes I have. Honestly I didnât find him to be that difficult to use. He is certainly a different mindset, but all in all, he is a much easier character to play with than Sadira (to a point of course), especially once you have minions out. I couldnât do half the fancy shenanigans that Iâve seen with him, but I did frustrate my opponents enough, and in some cases they simply raged quit on me.
So yes, I understand his weaknesses, but using Sadira to exploit them is needlessly difficult.
One note about how the results are figured out:
Every contributor made their own chart, but not everyone made ALL the chart. Some people just made one character. Others, several characters. Others, all the characters.
For example, I gave data for 2 full characters, 2 characters with no data for 3-4 MUs, one character with no data for 5-6 MUs, and several spreaded ones.
Overall, I enjoyed the procces. When someone put a extreme MU(like, 8-2), he was challenged into demostrating why that MU was so extreme. We convinced each other with civil talk, tech, and reasoning.
About Kilgore⊠He is great. I mean, one chancers for +50% damage from a throw, good control of the neutral, DPs, a great dodge, shadow coldown makes everything safe and allows you to punish anythingâŠ
And that considering that he is currently bugged in instinct, he should be doing more damage on instinct lockdowns
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Kim Wu is higher than I thought too.
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So, I am trying to learn Mira but I have been interested in Raam, Sadira, Thunder, Arbiter and Kan Ra. (Looks at tier list. Chokes on drink) All of them bottom tier, lol. Let the grind begin!
Oh yeah, great job on the Kan Ra nerfs from S2 to S3. That turned out pretty well.
Pretty neat to look at but I still donât trust âcommunity tier listsâ or any tier list for that matter, even when posted by the devs themselves. Theyâre just fancy graphs to look at but really donât hold much meaning other than someone elses opinions to me.
I wonder if the fact that these are presumably âtheory-peakâ is a part in what makes the list feel âoffâ to me. Shago being barely advantaged/disadvantaged feels wrong, but maybe itâs because people are good at blocking him rather than the characters themselves actually having any advnatage or disadvantage.
Some of the results ffrom the average page actually kinda surprise me Raam wise, like being slightly disadvantaged vs aganos.
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