This sounds like something a shady company would say to their consumers 
Honestly, I’d say there are people in this community that are spoiled. KI is an extremely unique fighting game because we have the devs interacting with us in stream chats and here on the forums. Because of this I feel like people just shout their complaints louder since they know the devs see them.
It’s fine to post your complaints here on the forums, that’s what they’re here for; however, don’t expect the devs to heed your every demand. If you want a certain character nerfed and another buffed then you’re welcome to post about here on the forums and discuss it with other forum members and maybe the devs will chime in.
It’s not alright to inundate the devs in stream chats with your complaints just because you have a direct line to them then and there. Stream chats are not meant to have the sort of long, in-depth discussion on why something in the game should be a certain way that you should be having here on the forums.
I know I just advocated for the use of the forums a lot there, but again, that’s why we have them. Discussing why you think certain things or characters in the game should be a certain way doesn’t belong in a 140 character chain of tweets or stream chats the devs are probably only in to watch the stream and chill with the community.
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Absolutely.
This is the truest statement I’ve heard this year.
As well as during Combo Breaker. Every time PinkDiamond came onscreen the chat became juvenile and atrocious.
Sorry, man, but me a RGL didn’t make an hour long discussion video for nothing 
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Lol
I went back and watched some of the archive, and with the intention of helping us move on, here’s a couple of observations:
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Twitch chat is not a great place to have any substantive discussion. It’s hard to follow, and jumps around. Much better forum for “did you see that shadow counter!!!?!”
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People asked them to knock it off and enjoy the matches. Listen to your friends.
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It’s funny to see people complaining about Fulgore and simultaneously longing for season 1. Put those rose colored glasses away people, I remember season 1. Wulf won three majors in a row and people were doing exactly the same screaming and crying then as they are now.
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Here’s my shtick…
Every KI personality needs to stop posting their issues and complaints in places with character restrictions. 140-255 characters is not enough to give constructive feedback.
Get off your ■■■■■■■ high horses and have a discussion where people can voice their opinions in a constructive form. If you can’t be bothered to give a detailed analysis or explanation of what you observe to be an issue, then ■■■■ off. You’re not doing anything good for the game or the community. You’re just being a stuck-up ■■■■■■■.
I’m not qualifying this with anything. If you have a problem with what I said, I’d like to know why.
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That comment was mine. I was sickened by the stream chat and had to leave the stream for a while. I wasn’t being negative towards the game at that point.
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Yes it was, actually. Once again, I’m not going to throw out names even if these quotes are on the more “defensive” side of the community. Zombie’s the obvious exception because his quote is very important and it’s also pretty ■■■■ obvious who the quote is from anyway.
like any job involving a public service, retail or anything with direct contact with the general public is really just a “sometimes it’s bad, sometimes it’s good”, experience.
anything that invokes thought in digital interaction just can’t be taken at face value. people always interpret things negatively because there isn’t any context or expression in words. actually only 10 percent of human language is conveyed through words alone. The rest is body language, tone and eye contact or facial expression.
If I can’t interact with a community or directly with people without getting upset or offended I should probably not do so. people working fast food and ■■■■■ up orders have it harder than this guy. cmon peeps.
gamers in general are critical of a lot. it’s the demographics. I’m sure Adam is aware of this and knowingly accepted it. unless of course he didn’t accept it any further, which is just as legit as starting a job, so too is quitting it.
This isn’t about Keits’ feelings.
It’s about getting a community to stop being such hot garbage on social and streaming platforms.
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People being asshats and trash-talking their own game isn’t bad because it hurts devs’ feelings and makes Keits quit Twitter - it’s bad because it means some of our most visible outlets to the rest of the world don’t seem to even like KI. Which makes it somewhat difficult to bring in new players, what with our own community never having anything good to say about it. If the people who ostensibly love the game emphatically don’t, then why should Joe Newbie ever pick it up or try it out?
People shouldn’t be jerks to the devs (who have put themselves out there waaaay more than virtually any other dev team in the business), but that isn’t why us having a positive community is important. It’s important because that positivity and love for the game is what helps draw outsiders in a crowded market. It doesn’t mean we can’t have legitimate gripes or problems with KI, but that really shouldn’t be all people ever hear whenever they pop into one of our game’s streams.
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eh, I feel ya. I try to give positive input whenever possible. the vast majority never really say good job, or anything constructive simply because of the old saying “no news is good news”.
and simply put, the no news is good news moniker coupled with negative feedback means that’s all I would expect to hear really.
Bender once said it best, “doing a good job means people aren’t sure that u did anything at all”. lol
I mean really. do you call Taco Bell and tell them the food they made you was delicious? no, or do you get on the telephone to tell Samsung what a great tv they made? sure people provide reviews but the vast majority are satisfied and dead silent on anything positive. consumer mentality is to trash on everything. making a big deal out of it wont change it cause that’s just how it is.
stop letting people make you feel bad would be my first response. the chances KI will ever make it to MKX status is doubtful simply because it’s locked away behind MS’s closet.
Joe Newbie LMAO
That wasn’t Bender…that was an omnipotent entity (Space God?) that was saying it to him.
The problem KI had in 94 when all fighting games were taking off was, they were licensed by Nintendo, and the others were not. Nintendo has never been a big fan of violent games, and wanted to focus more on Mario and children’s games. Capcom seen the money from SF2 and was not about to stop making them. MK became famous because of its extreme violence, and was the reason the whole video game rating system started.
That gave midway A LOT of money, so why stop making a game that gets that much hype.
I just think KI got screwed over by Nintendo, and was never given the chance to grow like the others.
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Of course we’re spoiled.
The devs have openly asked the community what they want and listen to them, and we as a community are suddenly part of making a game and form it to how we want it to be.
But we’re not qualified for that! We don’t have any game design degrees (well, most people here don’t), we don’t know what makes a game sell well, we don’t know ALOT of the things that are needed to know to make a game!
All we can do is make suggestions of what we WANT to see. But that doesn’t mean that’s always the best. And it’s up to the devs to take from our feedback what they can use, and weed out the rest which ends in the trash.
And when we don’t get what we want, or the devs do something we didn’t ask for, then what happens? We rant about it on the forum, make multiple threads about it, complaining and whining that this is not what we want!
So yes, we are spoiled! But gaming communities have ALWAYS been like this. And when something isn’t the way we want it, we have the right to tell the devs about it.
Problem is… many people don’t know how to mediate their emotions in a constructive way online. And as seen in the open letter SonicDolphin just posted, alot of people also don’t know when is the right place and time to talk about these things.
Online behaviour and manners… Many people don’t know how to behave. So when given the “power” to be part of the decision-making of how a game should be, they don’t know how to use this “power”. And then sh#t happens.
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For those that dont want to click on the link..here is the letter. I guarantee you these kids dont pay any attention to this and continue to keep being childish in the chats, Facebook and in online matches.
Open Letter To The Killer Instinct Community
This past Sunday’s KI Pro League stream chat was an absolute disgrace. In the two and a half years that we have been running these events, we have never seen such toxicity from this community. Not only was it extremely disrespectful to the developers who puts so much blood and sweat into the game we love, it was also very disrespectful to us who put in so much of our own personal time and effort to bring you these events.
It is great that the developers try to be as close to the community as they can. They listen to what the community has to say and do what they can to address our concerns and suggestions. They work their hardest to keep Killer Instinct interesting and balanced even though it is still in the process of being developed. Players have the right to voice their opinions about the the development of the game but it must be done in a constructive manner and in a proper place. It is not to be done in the stream chat of an event. Viewers in the chat, whether it is players or devs, are there to watch and enjoy the event. Any issues or concerns you have with the game belong in the forums.
**We started these events because we love Killer Instinct and enjoyed being apart of such a great community. Our goal is to provide a positive and competitive environment that players could practice, learn, and grow together in that was easily accessible. Last year, we partnered with Brandon Alexander of Ultra Arcade/creator of the KI World Cup and others so our events could be sanctioned to provide players with the opportunity to acquire qualifying points for the KIWC and prizes. This year we came together again with Brandon to bring you the KI Pro League along side the 8Bit BeatDown to offer even more qualifying points and plans for more prizes in the near future. But with the recent actions of the community, it has made us rethink if we are willing to put in the work at our own expense to continue these events for a community that doesn’t seem to be able better themselves. **
We are quite disappointed with the community that we called family. We expected better and we will not tolerate this kind of behavior at any future events from anyone. We want to see the community come back together. We want to see the community be the strongest family in the FGC.
Signed,
Evan “8BH Zombie” Gengo
Benjamin “OneSixStudios” Beleren
Founders of the 8Bit BeatDown
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That is a ■■■■ shame. I have not read through and read the entire chat but for it to be bad enough for Keits to quit twitter/take a community break, and for the above letter to be written at all says a lot about w.e occurred. Idk who was at fault and I won’t ask anyone to say names in here but whoever you are (And you know who you are) you should be ashamed of yourself. Just because you always place top 8, have won many tournaments or w.e does NOT give you the right to treat ANYONE badly, put anyone down, make demands to change things to what YOU think is right etc. Just because you spent your hard earned money on the game does NOT give you the right to treat ANYONE badly, put anyone down, make demands to change things to what YOU think is right etc. Just because you have been a KI fan since 1994 does not give you the right to do any of those things either. Nothing does. If you have thoughts/concerns express them in a mature, and civilized manner like adults should.
Hopefully everyone at Iron Galaxy, Microsoft and everyone else involved with this game that take time out of their lives to talk to us and/or hold these events for us know that no matter how much toxic bs is spouted during chats or on social media, that there actually are people within this community who truly do appreciate everything they do with this game and for us as a community.
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To be completely honest I didn’t watch the stream and I don’t care to go back and read the chat judging by what I’ve read so far, but frankly the “community” being shamed for what was probably a few asshats talking crap kind of annoys me. The vast majority of the “community” isn’t a festering cesspool and we don’t give any damns about some jerky kids, I just think its blowing things out of the water to say the entire community is to blame for something. Bad apples suck but the "community isn’t a spoiled mess because of it.
I mean, unless the vast majority of players who don’t pay any mind to the inner politics of game design and pro player drama aren’t part of the KI community that is. Some rude kids said some rude things, lets all move forward and put it behind us and stop pretending that the entirety of the community is one voice that’s been naughty and needs a timeout.
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