3.8 Patch Notes

If you chose the black background for ultimate, then these things do not have to exist.

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If you guys thought Aganosā€™ Ultimate was good, wait till you see Glaciusā€¦

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Saving his for last, too.

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Youā€™re a dirty person.

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Pretty sure Shinsako instinct hands are supposed to catch shadows. If I remember correctly, they track purely as a command grab for the purposes of the game (the way Glaciusā€™ old shatter did). Throw invincible shadows will clear them, but projectile invincible properties mean nothing to her instinct mode.

I guess? You should be able to react to the freeze with sandsplosion if you arenā€™t doing anything at the moment. Itā€™s certainly a good move (and particularly against Kan, who pressures at far ranges with projectiles), but itā€™s seriously at like the middle-utility range of Sakoā€™s kit. Bandage normals, command grabā€¦pretty much the only thing shadow ORZ will beat is you tossing out a scarab. Canceling it into instinct is certainly strong though (most characters have a similar mixup once they get instinct, with hers just coming from further away). Donā€™t want to derail the topic any further, just figured Iā€™d respond with my thoughts :slight_smile:

ā€¦ You all are cruel, cruel people. <3 I canā€™t wait!!

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Shin Hisakoā€™s Instinct is supposed to ignore characters while they are performing shadow moves. Meaning Shadows > Shisako Hands.

Whenā€™s Sako?

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Iā€™m kinda happy about this because it comes up quite a lot when I play Lemon, so it kind of feels like this change was in a way made for me lol. Gore will just have to be a little more careful as to not get too predictable on offense or actually be punished for it like other characters. The -3 change to Laser is very questionable to me but it is what it is, weā€™ll just have to see how Fulgore players take it and adjust.

He is definitely a bit weaker on up close pressure which seems to have been a theme in this patch but heā€™ll still be good just about anywhere on screen.

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My take on the changes:

-Good changes: Thunder, Fulgore, Rash, Arbiter, Raam

-Dissapointed: Gargos. IMO he got hit too hard by nerfs. Iā€™m ok with the mp(!) and j.hk changes, and IDK about minions hitbox, but reckoning nerf seems too much for me

And about the videoā€¦ I donā€™t understand @rukizzel

Why making a video showing unrelated gameplay? Why donā€™t you show us the changes in action?

Some may be harder to show, but wouldnā€™t be great seeing Fulgoreā€™s teleport change? Or Gargos j.HK change? Or any of Thunderā€™s?

Having unrelated gameplay while you speak about changes is confusing and we get no correspondence between what we read/hear and what we see. For what is worth you could put Forza gameplay, and the effect would be the same.

If we ever get another patch with video,please, consider using its corresponding gameplay to show the changes, at least some of them which can be easily shown.

This helps no one

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I know that applies to Raamā€™s kryll stuff, but for some reason that isnā€™t what I remember for Shinsako. @TheKeits - any chance we could get final word on this? EDIT: Thanks @Dayv0 :thumbsup:

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I predict the adjustment will mostly be to stop using medium laser (theyā€™ll likely switch to light). Which incidentally, will make a lot of his vortex stuff much easier to shadow counter, since youā€™re less likely to get blown up by a quick two-hitting move after the meaty fireball.

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I canā€™t give you a source right now, but @Ziarist is right

Edit: @STORM179, found it!
Official List of ways to prevent Creepy Hands from grabbing

I like this change list, curious to try some of them out in lab to see exactly how they affect my matchups. They did forget one huge change on the change list though:

-Added new character: Eagle

Seriously check, itā€™s nowhere on there. A small and silly thing to be observant about though, just thought it was kinda funny.

I donā€™t really get the Jago frame data changes. Was the frame trapping on crouching kicks that strong? With push back you could only get a couple of blocked hits in before you would whiff. I see in the notes that the team felt these buttons were too powerful; also standing versions are left as isā€¦ but really?

Not the end of the world, I guess. Just seemed unnecessary with so many other nerfs over the past couple of patches. It just feels like, ā€œJago opens you up too easily so we are going to reduce his damage. But he does too much damage so we are going to reduce his ability to open you up.ā€

And I get it. Iā€™m not so upset that I am saying I hate this game. Iā€™m still in love with it. I recognize the developers have access to a lot of data and knowledge I donā€™t. I guess I am just a bit salty is all.

I too was really happy with the Thunder changes and Gargos changes. Looks like a lot of Fulgore moves got hit pretty hard tough.
Over all I like the listā€¦I think its going to be a great Update.

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I predict the adjustment will mostly be to stop using medium laser (theyā€™ll likely switch to light).
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I donā€™t think M. Laser in a vortex situation is a bad option at all. You can still use it to try and mess with people who like to to SC. So even though itā€™s uses are now not as plentiful, itā€™s not something heā€™ll just want to toss out of the tool kit.

I think the fact that Kim Wuā€™s Shadow Firecracker after a manual being unbreakable is something that shouldnā€™t be ignored for those who fight vs. her. Proof (I was playing Survival casually): http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/SaltBomber44/video/33028494

sigh well, Iā€™ve stuck with Fulgore through thick and thin so this changes nothing. Still hurts though