See my reply to geek. Post 51.
Iām merely informing them. They can still make their own choices, whether those choices are right or wrong.
We know it doesnāt exist. Even if you cloned yourself and fought yourself the fact that one of you is on player 1 side and the other is on player 2 side already introduces new variables. But if you donāt make that assumption it becomes impossible to compare characters.
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I didnāt see that post - I like it. 
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Should really DM geek personally about that lol
ā¦but if you look at the player (i.e., me), you can know that Iām better at 1 side than the other, and only with certain moves/tools (for example, I can DP when on the left, but not very well when on the right).
i debated it.
But the rules need to be seen.
(We all know that trying to enforce etiquette is a lost cause anyway, so i probably shouldnt have even bothered.)
Personally, Iām glad you did.
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I read it. I have more questions, but I will PM you later about them.
Amenty and DaytonJ also posted a matchup chart earlier today and itās really interesting to see the differences between the two of them. Hereās what the two of them came up with:
This isnāt meant to derail the thread, this is just also an extra root of discussion when it comes to discussing tiers.
@GalacticGeek Luckily enough thereās already a community driven tier list that factors everyoneās opinion and what they say matchups are. Itās the Eventhubs aggregate tier list for KI. Once again, this is another chart to see what and how different people come to the conclusion of creating tier lists.
Agreed. Even if they arenāt even. Getting data from someone who maximizes the potential of character A. That way you could slightly minimize errors based on someone not knowing how to use the character. This is all subjective. Whose to say that there is some hidden tech that no one has found yet that moves the tier list around. Itās all an ongoing process and I think geek needs to realize that neutrality is helpful for prediction models of gameplay. #TierListMatter
Interestingā¦
I already think paul Bs list has more accurate data. That is to many outliers.
Cool site!
There are problems with tier lists that are compiled by only set users, but I think thatās part of the fun of discussing tier lists. For example, very few people will have Jago outside top tier in this game, but he ends up at C tier on your list becauseā¦ why? Did Thompson misinterpret matchups? Is his definition of an even matchup different from, say, Ricoās, who also contributed to this list? These are fun things to discuss, even if the site arrives at some incorrect conclusions.
If I can have one (easy) suggestion Paul, itās to sort the matchups in the winning/losing matchups so that the 7-3s/3-7s are at the front. Right now theyāre kind of interspersed in there and it was confusing for me to highlight the pictures and ārandomlyā see that one of them is a 7-3 surrounded by a bunch of 6-4s.
Ideally, it would be cool to get a bunch of different opinions and aggregate them, but thatās more work and maybe youāre content with just the one opinion for now.
If Paul was going to incorporate this data, I would have to really think hard about those numbers, because a lot of them are kinda just off the cuff and probably inaccurate. Iāve changed those numbers under the hood quite a bit each patch, too. Basically, those are largely āfor funā numbers and itās probably not a good idea to incorporate them into an actual tier list.
One of the most ridiculous things Iāve ever read. I know you donāt believe in tier lists for whatever reason, but this is a pretty weird thread to be trying to push that agenda.
No, you donāt do that. Tier lists are not a āJoe playing Jago vs Steve playing Fulgoreā exercise. They are a hypothetical, largely unattainable measure of characters in a vacuum, played by ultimate players who make as few mistakes as is reasonably human to expect. Then, if you think about that number, you as a player say āokay, if the hypothetical matchup is like that, how can I improve my play to be close to that?ā Itās an exercise in analyzing character tools completely irrespective of the players playing them.
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In regards to the Amenty chart or the Eventhubs list? I think Paulās list has some accurate stuff if the info is coming from specialists of each character, but I think itās interesting how other people come to tier placements as well. I really like what @llPaulBll did with the site and itās a nice little bit of reference material for KI players. Iām not saying that people should take it as 100% fact, but I do think itās important to see what the opinion of people who compete in tournaments view the matchups as.
Looking back on it, I regret the 1st 2 sentences myself.
This is not an accurate tier list lol. Although itās nice to know where you got those numbers from (thin air). Iād still like to see it. I get a nerdgasm using numbers that apply to weak and strong points to predict certain outcomes.
ā¦and this is why they canāt be trusted. 
People are already asking that question on Twitter, about Jago. And I think it outlines a potential issue - some people are definitely downplaying their characters. OR, maybe they really do understand the character better than everyone else. Itās hard to point fingers.
His chart confidence is pretty average, so heās not up or downplaying more than anyone else. Youād think that might equalize things, but Iām not sure it does.
I donāt agree with a few things on this chart, but honestly I think itās largely accurate.
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The eventhubs page.