Omen can react to shadow payload assault full screen with shadow lightning legs. It is good though if he doesn’t have meter.
Sure you can absorb the mixup, assuming he shadow escapes up and hits a button. This isn’t a guaranteed solution though, because you still need to guess what he’s going to do. Let’s say he shadow escapes to the other side on the ground. You can’t punish with shadow ruin (unless you guess where he’s going or have absolutely crazy reaction times) and you’re stuck into another setup. Is he going to do a shadow slide? Grab? Jump? Rashakuken? Orta, then shadow Rashakuken? Yes there are ways Aganos can get out of most of these situations but all of those ways to get out of pressure need you to have rediculous reaction time or a good read. Even if you do punish him, you have to (in most situations) use a bar of shadow to do so. Most often its shadow ruin that gets the job done. If you land shadow ruin on omen he gets sent full screen. How does he get in? If he sees you grab a chunk he can either try to take it away immediately with shadow lightning legs or he can use shadow Rashakuken or H Rashakuken without being punished. He can get in for free and then you more on defence again. If you didn’t grab a chunk he can still throw medium Rashakuken all day until he gets the one that he wants and go in, or just zone if he has a decent life lead.
Let’s look at it from Aganos’s perspective.
Let’s say you have a chunk and youve landed cr. HK.
You have 3 options:
1- Hit a button
2- shadow ruin/shadow natural disaster
3- block
4- jump
If you do 1. And omen blocks correctly you can still be on offence for a bit, either by using your chunk to create frame traps with armour, spending it for LPA, or by going ham and using the armour as a backup.
Omen can however to light Orta which has full invincibility and he can cancel it into shadow escape or shadow slide. If he has a bar of meter there’s almost no reason not to do this. Some characters can low-profile this attack (Wulfs cr. MP for example) but because Aganos is so big he kinda has to deal with it. If you get a good read on wake up you can use Shadow ruin or Shadow natural disaster, but both of those are very risky.
If you block and he wakes up with Orta, well at least you didn’t get hit, but be ready for the mixup.
You can jump to avoid the Orta on wake up but this is also risky. You can’t hit a button in the air or else Orta might hit you, so you have to either jump back or neutral jump. In doing so, if you guess right you get a full combo with is great, but if you guess wrong omen can anti air and start offence again.
Also to mr. Galactic Geek:
You said you can punish Glide with ruin (which you really can’t if there are rashakukes out)
I said you cannot punish slide (notice how I never said you said slide)
You said that you didn’t say slide. In an rude way to be honest.
I said that you said GLIDE
You quoted me saying GLIDE and denied ever saying it.
I said that you initially said the word GLIDE and I said SLIDE. And that’s where the confusion was. Not that I said slide initially but because you thought I was talking about slide the whole time. Then you say that I somehow proved the mistake was mine.
Anybody else see a problem with this? We were talking about 2 different things. You thought I messed up and called you out but I didn’t.