Didn’t PaulB do exactly that sometime ago?
Yeah he did i thought it was fairly good Tbh (but it was a past update)
Here it is (From some time back so it is a bit out dated)
Paul B (3 months ago):
Yes, but only with some experts opinion.
But since they put their MU list without getting to an agreement, the result was a bit… strange, to say best.
IMO this could be done better with consensus between experts.
Example:
Hisako expert: @STORM179
Riptor expert: @Fnrslvr
They discuss about the MU, analyse the tools of each character, and come with a conclusion(maybe “In favor of X” or “even” is enough, maybe numered tiers aren’t required)
This would give us the opinion of both sides, not only one. An impartial moderator could be useful(Infil would be my choice)
It could be even better with several experts per character, but that would be A LOT of extra work
He made a tier list. But he’s not an expert on every character in the cast. He mains Wulf and S2 Riptor. I’m talking about getting experts, people who main certain characters to provide their matchup numbers and then combining them all together to get totals. So off the top of my head you could have like
LCD- Orchid MU’s
PaulB/MyGod- Wulf
Nicky-Fulgore
Thompson-Jago
Sleep- Arb/Kan-Ra
Shin- Thunder
FireLager- Riptor
Storm- Sako
Swordsman- Cinder
etc. etc. They would each give their opinion on their characters matchups. However, many of those players are not active forum members and it’s unlikely people would want to waste their time on it, as ultimately it’s pretty irrelevant. It’s more interesting than useful.
That’s PaulB tier list, not the community tier list he gathered
This is the correct one:
http://ki-tiers.com/
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I did not know this existed. Hahaha, nevermind!
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Yeah, the community tier list was a very interesting endeavor. It had some quirks (Jago’s lack of winning MU’s per Thompxson’s submission had him pretty low, differences btw different players’ concept of “even” versus a “winning” MU, etc), but was a cool way of approaching the topic.
Also interesting to me to have aria higher than Rash despite aria having losing match ups and rash having none.
Not necessarily. Aria outright wins quite a few MU’s, while Rash is often said to basically just go even with the cast. I know for my part that I think Aria is a better overall character, and she’s a lot scarier than he is when she gets momentum.
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Oh My God…I can’t agree with Wulf, Orchid, Tj and Spinal as D tiers.
I do see spiderplayers pretty upset lately. I don’t play Sadira so I can’t tell, and when I play good Sadiras I don’t have a great time, she seems lethal. I’m pretty sure most top players known the match up really well. But she is still annoying if you ask me.
The list is flawed since every person who provided their character list has a different idea of advantage-even-disadvantage
I mean, Kan-Ra’s chart, provided by Fubuki, some random MU’s according to him:
Sabrewulf 8-2
Raam 8-2
Gargos 1-9
Fulgore 2-8
What??? The Gargos one really makes me go crazy. How can somebody put a 9-1? It’s totally downplaying. He is basically saying “if I’m Kan-Ra and I have to face Gargos, I should drop my controller and wait for counter-picking. Not gonna win this”
Or:
Glacius expert says Glacius wins Aganos
Aganos expert says Aganos wins Glacius
How can this be? They should discuss why they belive that their character wins. Maybe they can go to an agreement and we could have a better insight about the MU
Well, the differences in MU numbers between specialists was book kept in the confidence interval for the individual fights. The wild divergences of what different players considered 6-4 vs 7-3 vs 5-5 was a definite gap in the methodology though.
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The confidence interval was a good idea as concept, but badly executed due to this:
For that reason, two experts talking about the MU of their characters would be a better aproach IMO
Top 5 is pretty good, but oh my god the bottom.
My top 5 (no order):
Fulgore, Jago, Hisako, Spinal, Riptor
My bottom 5 (no order):
Sadira, Kim Wu, Aganos, RAAM, Shago
@CrazyLCD How do you feel this would change with the combo breaker change?
your top 3 i 100% agree with, hisako and thunder i wouldn’t put them in top 5 though. I’d replace them both with Arbiter and Gargos. Those 2 are still as amazing as ever.
your bottom 5 i agree with partially.
kim as the character still has “issues” i really think the character needs a rework.
aganos i understand but aganos isn’t bad. it’s not like the kim wu issue where he has just terrible options but rather his bad match ups are really bad and tend to be high tier characters. in fact your top 5 are perfect examples.
eyedol is umm interesting. no one’s shown him competitively yet so there just isn’t enough info yet to say where he is at on the tier list. I’ve only met 1 eyedol main even after the nerfs and shoutouts to him for doing it
mira isn’t bad. she’s just really risky. being a pichu main in melee (i’m not joking) i keep the mentality of i can hurt myself as much as i want but if i take 3 stocks and leave some damage after losing only 1-2 stocks then i have the high ground. Mira can be the same way. Take your time weaken your opponent and once u have the lead it’s time to dominate. again though that’s just my opinion and my mentality.
shago… no… i’m sorry but no…
As a Gargos player ill tell you that he is still really strong but i believe he is already away from top 5 because of the nerf that doesnt allow minions to build meter. He is strong but not us much as before.
I know…I said it was his from 3 months back
(also spinal, wulf, Arbiter, orhcid and ESPECIALLY JAGO that Low?..but Shago and Aganos that high?..well at least they got Fulgore right?)
Aria’s top 5 until she loses a body, then she drops to mid-tier quickly. Except for some notable exceptions, you rarely see Aria’s in top 8 for tournaments both offline and online. That says something about the character. I’m not saying she needs a buff, just that you can’t put her on a tier on the basis of how she starts the game. One mistake against a Mira or a Tusk or any other high damage character and that’s a body gone. Once that happens she has, by design, the worst comeback potential in the game.
There were 2 Arias at EVO top 8.
Anyway, tournament placement should not be considered. Most of us agree about Jago being top 5, and there was only one at Evo’s top 8, and Bass(who was using Jago) used more characters, not only Jago
There are a lot of reasons for a good character not making into finals. Not being regularly in top 8 doesn’t mean that character is bad