That’s becasue he has a developer perspective on those characters…he sees things that we dont. Untapped potential. also the veterans like Bass have near 3 years experience with S1 moves and fundamentals, BnB combos , ect… but I totally get what you are saying. I just dont see Omen as top 5. I dont think he has the damage or tools to out play Fulgore or Jago.
I wish I were wrong because …I play a lot of Omen lol
Yeah, maybe the numbers look good on paper, but then there isn’t a player to pull it out. I think Jago, Fulgore are definitely in there. Aria didn’t benefit from PD change and let’s leave at that. Omen top 10 I think, but missing a few things, e.g. overhead. Mira benefits from the PD change, but things can go wrong with her really quickly, although the damage, buttons and specials are definitely there. Another underrated character for me is Eyedol.
I totally agree. Omen is missing that one move that keeps him consistent. I think if ha had a grounded 50/50 it would put him over the hump. His gimmick is controlling the air…and thats risky against all these characters with pip cancels, Dps, catch counters, missiles, and tracking portal punches.
Id like to be proven wrong, but not in discussion, I want to see someone take Omen to the next level. Im not the one that can do it. Id like to see one the of top guns pick up Omen. SLeep, Bass, Thompson, Nicky, Rico did for a minute but he didnt stick with him.
Anyways… a bit off topic. Looking forward to the top 8 today at 3pm!
See I play a lot of omen too…and I don’t agree with your top 5 stance. Now do I think he can beat jago fulgore? Sure but omen has to try harder than both those characters.
Omen doesn’t have an overhead? If only he had 3 meters, the ability to perform incredibly ambiguous left/right mixups, and the option to cancel unsafe approaches into a second mixup…
Seriously though, Omen is really, really good - he’s still in my Top 5, as is Mira. Aria has been in my Top 5 since her release, and she’s so underexplored that I actually don’t have a hard time believing that she’s still up there.
Omen should be ridiculous Edith an overhead. He has A FREE extra bar of meter. If you want an instant overhead just shadow form from the ground into an aerial normal.
You are contradicting yourself…and I didnt say he couldnt beat Jago and Fulgore. I said the exact same thing you said…he has to work harder than they do.
You never said he had to work harder. You said that those characters out played omen. I don’t understand where I’m contradicting myself sir.
I said he doesnt have the same tools that are consistent. He has to control the air against characters that have several tool to keep him down. He relies more on luck of patterns and they have more constisnt 5050 set ups that dont reply on meter. IN so many words…he has to work harder than they do for less damage out put.
Where Omen excels IMHO is that extra shadow bar and its many uses. Something I find even top players lacking is shadow counters. I see so many opportunities for shadow countering wasted. I know it’s just an opener, but it does a lot of mental damage if you start putting the threat of shadow counter in the opponent’s head for their most used approaches.
As for Omen versus Jago/Fulgore, let’s not forget he does less damage than either of those if nothing else. Top 10, not Top 5.
Ok guys, lets keep this back on topic of KIT…we can discuss OMen in the Omen section.
Random side note: I could do without all the fanservice, but DOA5 is a genuinely entertaining game to watch 
Is that whats on right now?
Yeah, they’ve got it playing on the TourneyLocator twitch. TastySteve is commentating 
But yeah, I like seeing the game at high level. Very explosive and fluid, with some really top notch animation work to boot.
That was a hype asss comeback! I might have to play my DOA demo for a minute lol
KI is almost up!!!
I’ve always like the fluidity of DoA over Tekken. I also dont have a problem with the ‘fanservice’, however I do think its the reason why DoA doesnt get as much respect as Tekken, eventhoigh DoA to me is the better game/series.
WOW this top 8 has been intense! NIckys MIra is sick!
I said earlier I had money on Thompson… he is the defending KIT champ is he not?
Are Sunday’s matches over already?
3pm central time? I guess I have to watch archive then…
Yeah, ended about an hour or so ago. That time difference on your side of the globe is killer 
Yeah, at 6am I was still counting sheep. Don’t spoil it for me by giving any results, haha.
Btw, you’re not attending?