What ever works for you. I can be flexible in my schedule usually.
That look like a BALL all right⊠not a wrecking ball though LOL
But Kimâs not a very big girl⊠And Iâm a rather large mammal.
Iâd probably crush her
Also, Tiger Spirit, you shadow-countered too early and got blooped in the face for it.
Kim Wu
Arbiter
Since Keits has said theyâre not touching her shadow counter because itâs an intentional weakness, does that mean they had a meeting and someone was like
"Hey guys, for kim wu balance, i think her shadow counter should be terrible, like it should whiff a lot!"
âBrilliant!â
Lol seems that way, I do think she suffers too much from it. Sheâs great but letâs be real here, no one is going to win a tourney with her at this rate.
She is missing a key element to help her be successful against characters like Gargos and Arbiter.
Those are some of her better matchups, what are you talking about.
Apparently not at high level.
When did a Kim Wu player get kicked out of a tournament thanks to these characters?
She never made it to those playersâŠ
Not my fault Gutter has such a good TuskâŠ
Kim Wuâs strengths are really just not being fully utilized, I feel. And thatâs because people give up too soon with her to find where her strengths really lie.
Fair enough, I agree there.
Honestly sick of âX character has never won, so they must not be able to competeâ as an argument for how balanced a character is. Kim Wu has very strong tools and options, along with some pretty pronounced weaknesses, but sheâs quite able to compete. Just because Bass is a monster with Spinal or Sleep is a monster with Aria or Gargos or Arbiter or whoever, tells you very little about how viable the rest of the cast is.
People on Dolphinâs poll were saying âoh, X character looks like they need buffs b/c 30 other forum posters think theyâre weakâ. Iâll let you in on a secret - most of the people on the forum arenât that good. They play for fun (which is totally fine), and by and large havenât interrogated toolsets to any great degree outside perhaps their main. Again, thatâs perfectly fine. But it does mean that what passes for âconsensusâ isnât necessarily representative of what a cast member is truly capable of. People whined to high heaven when Kan-Ra got nerfed three times in a row before Sleep became a thing, saying he was already weak and no one would ever win with him. There was a mild outcry when Arbiter was released and some forum members thought he was underpowered (yep, that happened). I still argue with people about TJ, and shake my head in wonder every time âhis instinct is crapâ is cited as a reason for him being bad.
My point is simply that people shouldnât be so quick to make snap judgments about characters without legitimately taking into account their toolsets and how they interact with the rest of the cast. On the flip side, they also shouldnât be so quick to outsource their opinions to a âproâ or higher level player who has an opinion on things. People can do the research and still come up with differing opinions - fighting games are variable enough that those disagreements are exceptionally common. LCD thinks Kim is whatever that little laughing Asian face isâŠthatâs fine. Rebelo thinks S3 TJ is balls. I happen to think theyâre both wrong. LCD also used to routinely say that Orchid was trash in S2, even though her corner game was second only Omenâs, she had an invincible DP, and amazing damage potential if someone was willing to do more than a one-chance. Thatâs fine - LCD is a great player, and that was his take on Orchidâs tools. But it doesnât make that take true.
Half the people claiming Kim is bad donât even know which of her normals are plus and which are minus. She isnât a character that can be fairly evaluated without actually understanding her at that level, and Iâm tired of seeing people with no idea what theyâre talking about speaking on how unviable she is. LCD at least has put in the work and can articulate his issues with her - if you canât complain about her in more than superficial tones, then you probably shouldnât be making sweeping judgments about how good she is.
My $.02
And let me just be clear and say I mean no disrespect to @CrazyLCD and his Kim Wu. He has been playing the character near non-stop since she released and only dropped her recently. So I donât think any of us have any reason to make fun of his judgements (though admittedly that minglee spam is getting very irritating).
But I feel like people are misunderstanding with the character is about. Iâve heard many times that Kim Wu is a footsie style character, which leads people to play her as it theyâre playing SF. But this is KI, where strong offensive tools are rampant. And I can without a doubt say that Kim Wu has some of the best pressure in the game thanks to her great grab range, overhead/low mixup thatâs safe, target combo meaties and frame traps, and her amazing plus on block moves. Sure, she has no safety net to fall back on, like Orchidâs grenade, but considering all her offense is safe she shouldnât really need it. And if she has a dragon, getting in on her opponent is as easy as waiting for them to commit to something, then whiff punishing them.
Her parry is also supposed to deter people from attacking her, and I donât feel most Kim players use the parry effectively enough to accomplish that.
Great posts about Kim. I donât mean to come off as that guy, just sucks to see characters with potential drop them. Though I understand why, she is one of the harder characters in the cast. Heck, a majority of us play relatively easy-to-use/win characters. So, I donât know the struggle.
Just speaking from my short experience with her and saying her shadow counter is utterly terrible. Maybe it works as her weakness sure but itâs jarring to see the animation whip a player but do nothing.
Well, at least Ostrich never let her go so we still have a great Kim player within our community.
Kimâs shadow counter is situational and isnât great, but it isnât terrible. You want a terrible SC, go try out S2 Maya, Aria, or Hisako. Their shadow counters were so slow that they were literally unviable on anything that wasnât a double roundhouse.
Kimâs shadow counter is unusually limited for S3 KI, but itâs not terrible. I use it with pretty good success when I play her.
At least we havenât found any plus on block moves that her SC doesnât work on.