I fought the first Gargos I’ve run in to who was actually good, and it left me a little confused as to what exactly Kim can do against him?
I played a good Gargos last night and after a handfulof matches or so I just said ‘Ok, I’m done. This is the absolute least fun I have ever had playing a MU’
After I salt-quit, I went to the lab to try to understand WTF Kim can do against this… I’ll post the couple little things I found below, and would appreciate it if any competent Kims could chime in with thoughts. Lets try to keep it reasonable and not most like ZOMG GARGOS STOOPID OP NERFLES. I dunno if he’s the best thing ever or the absolute worst, I just know that he is misery incarnate to fight and if he’s as good as I think he is, I/We need to know how to handle him.
So, first off, Dragon Kick seems awful in this fight. I want it not to be awful, because it covers a lot of distance and Gargos is likely going to be putting distance between the two of you until his minions are down and he can work in close with safety. His sweeping dive thing will beat it flat unless you can catch him early or late… But if he has active frames, you eat the damage. In training mode I can consistently pop him, but that’s training mode. and I know what my recording is doing. Add in his quad jump and general air silliness and I think dragon kick becomes a liability fast. I tested punishing sweep with DK as well and unless I’m missing something here… You cant. More on this in a minute. It doesn’t punish PPs obviously. Now, again, I just did a couple tests with it because if it was useful, it could be huge. We get the whole stage back… But outside of getting lucky using it as an AA, it doesnt seem to accomplish a lot vs Gargos.
I moved on Dragon Dance. No. His PPs and his minions will just tap you out of them. It should be noted that if you read a light PP incoming, you can HK DD to grab some of the screen back. If he heavies or mediums though, they track you it seems and knock you out of it. Minions do as well. Shadow Dragon Dance though looks like a useful tool potentially. It passes through the minions and covers a lot of ground. I tested it Vs his sweep with both minions out and its able to punish, not exactly from full range, but about a step or so inside. Unless I’m slow. Once you are in that range though its a helpful tool to get in his face. Interestingly enough though, if you hit sweep and mash jab during recovery, you will jab Kim out of her shadow DD. Same goes for PPs if shes close-ish and tried to get in with S.DD. Obviously this takes a read on Gargos’ part, but its worth noting that he can do it…
Im focusing on covering distance here, because getting on top of Gargos, obviously, is the first step to beating him… It feels like a HUGE uphill battle with Kim. Just spamming those PP’s is daunting in itself… You can take a small step forward after each one, but its slow going… One wrong move and you practically reset the situation and if he gets a minion out, he can just lock you down where you sit. You have to time one step at a time between PPs and minion swings. Add a second minion and its just crazy. Like I said before, the tracking on those PPs makes it so you literally cannot jump at all from what I could tell. You just get AA’d… And even if you sneak a jump in its risky. One hit and you lose more ground.
Gargos has bad defense until he has minions, then he has some of the absolute best auto-defense I’ve run across. So we need to get in and stay in, keep him under pressure… This is easier said than done when he may not have a wake-up, but he has a LOT of other tools including numerous was to create distance and numerous ways to cover his unsafe moves. B y and large, it seems like Gargos is only as unsafe as he wants to be - he doesnt have to be unsafe to get his offence moving. He just needs a little space.
I dunno. I haven’t run the MU heavily yet, but this feels like its going to be hard for Kim unless I’m missing something fundamental here.
Any way, its 530am, so forgive me for rambling and grammar and the general ugliness of this post, Im so tired I cant keep my eyes open. I will hit the lab some more tomorrow to fiddle around. I also want to end by saying I am NOT saying Gargos is OP or blah blah. Im a new player with very little experience in the MU, Im damn sure not making any judgement call on whether he’s weak or strong, I am merely expressing frustration and bouncing ideas off the Kim players as to what we can do in this MU as I have yet to fight a character that felt so overwhelmingly obnoxious, anti-fun and completely one sided… I’ve finagled sets with some of the better KI players in the world, and vs their mains, I damn sure lost and lost badly, but never felt so utterly unable to even play the game as vs a good Gargos.
I will say this much though, Gargos is like everything people find frustrating and annoying and fun-killing in a character all rolled in to one package.