I did mention something like that before. My thought was giving her an option in combo to cancel any remaining dagger attacks and return them to her hands, as long as there are attacks remaining. It would give maya players an incentive to use the ender with more pips, and makes it less of a problem to use it outside of instinct.
It feels wrong to me that even if the dagger assault completes successfully, even if you open up your opponent, the daggers still separate.
That makes sense. I like the idea, maybe the @developers can take a note and try it out?
If its an option outside of the combo system, it should have a semi-reactable animation. Something like Spinalâs new Skull gain animation, but a slightly shorter duration. If she tries to get her dagger(s) back from a poor range, the opponent has a chance to poke out of it.
As a Maya main, Dagger Assault is a very underwhelming ender where the risk far outweighs the rewards.
Itâs most prominent use is to download your opponents tendencies by playing a small footsie/mixup game to find the gaps in their defense.
Without its glaring weaknesses this ender is easily one of the most overwhelming enders in the game due to it forcing your opponent to completely switch their playstyle to defensive footsies. In the hands of a patient player, Maya can force her opponent to sacrifice resources & positioning for uncertain results.
That being said, The changes I would make to it are:
Have the daggers add less KV so as to promote combos throughout the duration of the assault. Pretty self explanatory
Add a touch more pushback to the activation. This change is to help the opponent stop the offense after the first volley of hits.
(This is my personal #1) Have the daggers be treated as if they were blocked, only in regards to drop speed & being able to be caught mid air. One of the many risks of Dagger Assault is that you are left with half your offense afterwards. which cripples you for using said ender. Having the ability to catch them mid air once they fly helps you add more pressure & allows you a chance to gain even footing with the opponent quickly.
This sounds really good but not too good. I like it!
I donât understand how you would catch them in mid air though. Maybe have a LK+MK+HK input to call the daggers back whenever you want if theyâre still in Dagger Assault mode.
I personally donât think she needs a recall action for them in the middle of the assault. That would lead to far too many hijinks. Think of the nutiness of applying that with her Axe Kick mixups, or canceling on empty Leap kicks, oof Iâm salivating at the thought lol.
I was thinking it would be how you can catch thrown daggers that were blocked, but instead it would be on completion of its volleys or when you get hit out of it. I envision a world where if timed correctly, you would jump forward from a dash, crossing over them & grabbing both daggers seamlessly, setting both of you back to neutral unless they shadow uppercut you. Or if they get stopped in the middle of the volley, you can walk & block to at least catch one of them so as to not be at a total disadvantage. Or toss out an empty Leap kick, catch it in mid air, & continue the pressure.
What about this:
When ussing Dagger assault, instead of her daggers, Maya summons two spiritual daggers over her opponent, mantainig her daggers on her hands. Spiritual daggers works the same way as the current ender(dissapear when Maya is hit, etcâŠ)
This means that Maya doesnât lose options when she uses this ender since she can still use her daggers. If spiritual daggers are active, blocking Mayaâs daggers doesnât grant any pips to her daggers.
Also, Maya canât get pips on blocked daggers for some seconds after the last hit of dagger assault.
Pros:
-Mayaâs options remains the same while daggers makes her safe
-More mixup options
-More combo options between your daggers and the spiritual ones
Cons:
-You lose pip gain during dagger assault and some seconds after it finishes
Iâm sorry, but that change would make her Godlike. Having access to her dagger normals On Top of the barrage of nonsense would mean that you would be back to season 2 Maya, only using her dagger ender because of how broken it is.
I thin needs a buff and buffs some of Maya normals to compliment it. My idea would be
-Make Maya be more positive after the ender I think itâs +4 maybe make it +8
-Decrease the kV build by slot
daggers comeback when ender done
Amount of damage scaling during combos decreased.
-Make maya overhead slightly faster.
+8 Sounds a little a little much but making her more + seems like a good idea.Making her overhead faster would make her better while she is mixing you up since it is very reactable and someone could just press a button during the OH and end Dagger Assault.However her normals are just fine imo.
No need to be sorry, friend! I donât disagree with the idea that her DA could be improved on in a way that doesnât leave her highânâdry, I just thought that since you were suggesting frame data changes maybe youâd be interested in knowing that little tidbit.
I think if she could link off of it, it may as well be a stagger, but then whatâs the point of the DA, and shouldnât it cost a bar? I dunno, lots of crazy stuff to worry about if it were +8, but I like all the other ideas.
Not sure about buffing her OH. Itâs reactable, yeah, but itâs also feintable.
How about for Dagger Assault, Maya can manually trigger the daggers at her will. Press light punch for light dagger, medium for medium dagger, and heavy for both at once. She loses her punch normals that are just kicks though. Allows for more freedom and creativity.
I agree with Dayv0. What if 1 was also positioned above, with the other below? The 1 above would hit overhead, while the other would hit low, and both at the same time would hit mid (or some similar variation on that idea)?
I know this is a necro, but if thought of a small tweak to Dagger Assault that could make a big difference: Having the daggers return once itâs finished.
I agree that having spirit daggers in addition to her real ones would be a less than balanced choice. But making it so when the Assault ends her daggers donât go flying willy nilly would make it much more appealing.
Alternatively, it might be more threatening if the Dagger Assault didnât get stopped when Maya is hit. It would help keep the opponent locked down more effectively if they couldnât negate its effect so easily.
I donât think it needs any big changes. Just a tweak or two. Otherwise Maya is still incredibly solid.