Lost Interest In Most KI Tournaments

[Samish02]

Counter breakers are broken this is why most top players dont use them.

[GalacticGeek]

Broken? I’d say that’s a questionable statement to be making…

[Sasuke99I]

Proof or I call BS

[Samish02]

Well they dont work most of the time if you prefer.

[Fwufikins]

@Samish02

Counter breakers are broken

I’d recommend giving this a read. Should help clear up some misconceptions.

A complete exposé on counter breakers: why they work, why they don't, and what you can do

Long post incoming. Grab a snack and read all of it, please. I’m going to explain the facts of counter breaking, including how it is and isn’t different from older seasons. Use this to get better, understand the limitations of the system, and why counter breaking isn’t actually broken (but is different). First of all, what has changed about counter breaking from S1 or S2? A) The lockout X takes time to animate, which means the attempt to break happened 8 frames before the X first shows up (ED…

[GalacticGeek]

@Samish02

Well they dont work most of the time if you prefer.

Well, yeah, sure. It’s likely to do with human error, though. Or lag. Otherwise, as far as I know, they work just fine for the most part mechanically.

[TheNinjaOstrich]

Agreed. I’ve actually started doing my Counter breakers earlier than I normally would, and been hitting them consistently.

[iDoMusic4Media]

Exactly. That’s pretty much all there is to it. Simple.

[MDMMORNING]

@Samish02

Counter breakers are broken this is why most top players dont use them

This is what I was talking about when I said our community proliferates Scrubquotes. We all know very well that they aren’t (cuz we have quick access to fantastic literature on the topic) but some top level mouth-on-a-stick is out there spouting lies about our game to cover for their ego.

Counter breaks aren’t broken, you just missed.

For shame.

[Sasuke99I]

This is what I see going on. People don’t understand exactly how something works. They try it and it doesn’t work for them. Because ego, they claim the mechanic is broken and everyone follows them without doing any research.

[STORM179]

@Samish02

Counter breakers are broken this is why most top players dont use them.

[SonicDolphin117]

@Samish02 Go back to any replay of you missing your counter and frame step it. Then come back to me.

@CrazyLCD knows.

[FeverAyeAye]

For what it’s worth, I’ve learned a lot about the game reading through this topic!

[Dayv0]

“A game mechanic works in a different way than the way I belive it should work, so its broken”

"I got the read, so I deserve a reward, ignoring that my read was late"
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I have a suggestion:

If Dojo is ever remade again, put extra emphasis in how the counter breaker mechanic works, stating that the CB must be performed ONE FRAME EARLIER OR THE SAME FRAME than the opponent’s combo break attempt to actually work, and not one frame later

Seems insulting obvious, but some people are still missing the point after 3 years

[BigBadAndy]

I don’t really want to prolong the discussion. We can just agree to disagree. I don’t worry very much about the competitive scene, but I follow it enough to know that none of the players you mention are playing Jago at the level Thompson is. They just aren’t.

As far as the characters, I have consistently argued that Jago is the strongest character in the game, practically from KI’s season 1 launch. He has tons of options for every situation. But he has always been considered good but not the best by the vaunted “community” until Thompson started to win with him. Now he’s “just dumb.” None of those frame traps are new. None of them.

If you really believe that Fulgore and Jago are that much better than the rest of the cast - switch to them and start winning. This is a weakness in the community not in the players that are using those strong characters. I’m not accusing you of not loving the game, or supporting the community or any of those things. But I’m never going to accept the case "well yeah, so and so wins, but they are using “x character.” You guys all have the same options available. The winner is the winner - I don’t want to hear these excuses.

[MetaSalt]

@CrazyLCD

Imagine if I actually forced myself to play “top tier” characters instead of the ones I like

Literally same. Found proof of this when I realized Kan-Ra was absolutely a guessing game. Tried Jago for a bit cause I was working on a lil project. Hit practice mode for a little bit…

44 Wins straight. In Killer, ranked. I’ve never even come close to that while playing Kan-Ra… Even in season 2. And all I had to do was 1 chance breaks. weird how that works
Didn’t stand a chance.

@SonicDolphin117

LCD, cut the act. Nobody buys this

@SonicDolphin117
Also, I buy it. Kan-Ra is undoubtedly my craziest character. I play him the best, but he isn’t my best. Jago is… And I can do some ■■■■ most people haven’t seen with Kan-Ra lmfao. Try it. It’s a lot of fun playing the best characters in the game.
No seriously guys this ■■■■ is addictive I almost mained him until every one of my friends made fun of me. Literally almost lost friends over being the “meta”. (Some “Friends” huh? )

[SonicDolphin117]

@MathAmphetameme

Try it. It’s a lot of fun playing the best characters in the game.

Jago feels sluggish and stiff to me, and Fuglore is just super hard to play effectively.

This is completely subjective, which is why the point of playing “top tiers” being effective for anyone is false.

[SonicDolphin117]

@Dayv0

CB must be performed ONE FRAME EARLIER than the opponent’s combo break attempt to actually work,

Correction: Earlier or on the exact same frame.

[ComicKaze23]

@MathAmphetameme

Literally almost lost friends over being the “meta”. (Some “Friends” huh? )

Well in fairness, the Meta did try to kill all his friends and get their AIs, so I can understand why your friends might be worried.

[MetaSalt]

Just kill me lmfao