Thank you, for better directing my complaint than I could.
Every one of these posts where you insist on firing an employee as a necessary response effectively boils down to âI donât like itâ.
Not everyone will like everything, so following that logic any time something is released a person should lose their job for it, because not everyone is pleased by the result.
I donât see how this makes any sense. Some people will like Miraâs Ultimate, some people will be indifferent, some people will actively dislike it. All of these are fine. But I fail to see how the correct response is to remove a staff member.
Have you polled every single person who has played KI to see what they think about the Ultimate in question, or even every forum member (being that these forums are a small but dedicated part of the KI community as a whole)? I doubt it. Declaring particular ratios for like/dislike is hyperbolic at best without having done the research.
As I said, some will react positively, some will react negatively, and some will not care either way. Thatâs really the closest we get to accurate facts on this.
Donât like Miraâs Ultimate, fine - youâre welcome to that opinion. I recommend you donât use it, or play a different character.
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Well, Miraâs Ultimate is nowhere near the level of hype/badass it needed to be but Iâm not joining the school of thought that one bad animation means the death knell for KI. The latest idea that seems to be floating around the KI community is that if one animation isnât fully realised as a concept, the game is going to die, are we really that jaded to the point where that school of thought seems rational in the slightest?
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Well, I agree with your attempt to acquire proof through numbers. But the numbers that support either side of our argument simply donât exist. None of the numbers we have are accurate, or even traceable in some cases, so we have to look at each with a grain of salt.
YouTube likes and dislikes are not very reliable, so we obviously arenât going to say that the âlikesâ represent everyone who likes them, and the âdislikesâ represent everyone who doesnât.
So, I just look at the ratios compared to older KI news⊠and I see a decline.
Forum posts are VERY difficult to track by numbers, and even if we could, it still wouldnât be accurate.
So, I just look at a few key points:
- how much support/hate?
- how passionate is the support/hate?
- which groups of people provide support/hate?
⊠and I see hate growing over support.
These examples, along with other observations from multiple parts of the audience, show me that support is waning, and quality of the content is dropping.
That is how I reach my conclusions. If you DO have a few magic numbers that you believe will support your argument, please share them. But Iâm pretty sure you get your information on audience support just like I do, through collecting and comparing trends wherever you find them.
Edit:
@xSkeletalx this answers your concern, too.
I personally donât like Miras ultimate, yes⊠But, that is not the core of my complaint. Iâm talking about the trends over time that show me that most of the audience believes quality is dropping. Even the people who are super optimistic about everything are posting responses that are less and less passionate.
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I donât, nobody does. Hence, asking for someone being fired with non existant numbers is pretty crazy
You canât ask for someone being fired with that.
I donât like the Ultimate either, but I LOVE what is important about the game for me(Gameplay).
I can post here expressing my dislike about the ultimate, thatâs fine. Doing so, among others, may conditionate them when doing new ultimates if they ever happen.
But ask for people being fired without anything to prove why they should be fired⊠is just despicable man.
Canât you see that?
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Ok guys⊠drop it. Take it to a PM or something. Its all opinion based and no one should be fired.
ENOUGH
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What Iâm saying:
âWe donât have numbers, so you canât defend themâ
What you are saying:
âWe dont have numbers, so you canât attack themâ
But my point is: we do have TRENDS.
The trends say that something needs changing.
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I didnât said that. I said that you canât ask for someone to be fired because you(or a lot of people) donât like an Ultimate. Is not your decision to make.
Iâm not stopping you from doing constructive criticism. What you are doing is not. You are being super destructive.
And even if you are right and something needs to change, that doesnât mean someone has to be fired
Here is the basis for why I am calling for firings:
Maybe if I put it into detail it will appear less âdestructiveâ.
(All of the following is clearly implied by my original statement , but apparently it isnât as âclearâ as I thoughtâŠ)
There is a clear decline (based on trends in the community) of quality in content, and support that follows. Now, more than ever, it seems most people agree that the content we are getting is disappointing.
So, looking at this from a business perspective, it appears that some department in the development cycle is doing a bad job of understanding what we want, or doing a bad job of producing quality with the resources they have. What ever group of people that is, they need to be closely reviewed.
Many game devs have done better jobs than this with less resources. Knowing this, the only variable left is the employee.
Again, from a business standpoint, when an employee makes a mistake, itâs ok. Not a big dealâŠ
But when an employee makes an action, it turns out to not be a good one, then they RECIEVE CORRECTION, and continue to make the same mistakes, then their position should be revoked.
When you consider the importance of positions like this, this truth is magnified 1000x.
For the people who want to talk âbudgetâ, hereâs something for you:
YES, itâs difficult to create quality with low resources, but if they did a good job of it ONE time, it would cause more people to play or purchase content, resulting in a better budget for later projects. In the same way bad decisions cause budget to spiral down, good decisions cause growth. (As proven by any good franchise in the industry"
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No one deserves to be fired
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None of what you said, would make sense if you worked in a game development studio. I donât even know if youâve ever been let go or had to let someone go, if you can so casually suggest something. Its not a nice thing, neither party feels better afterwards (unless one of those parties sucked way more than Mira).
I should let this end here, but I always have something to say when people question the development cycle of a game. I just spent 14 hours (6 days a week for the last two) trying to make a game experience better for people thatâll never know of the work I did because thatâs the point, youâll only see the bugs that we missed. It is inevitable that a playerbase will find way more issues way quicker than ANY dev team, sometimes the entire team of people working on a game can be 60 or less people, including testers! Even the crappiest game on any platform will have atleast twice the playerbase before its demise.
Sorry for the wall, please try to be a little more empathetic to the people working to give you this experience. Please.
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I havent read all this wall of text but get this straight:
IG can do as well as MS lets them with their allowance and funds.
/thread
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The sad thing is in the trailers they have better snapshots of the ultras making them more dynamic. I wish theyâd apply this to the ultimates and ultras.
I know they donât because of double ultras and what not. But thereâs nothing stopping them.
In saying that they gave us dynamic lvl4 Enderâs and people threw their toys down.
Yes, I have been fired. It was totally deserved. I did not intentionally do anything wrong, and I was not lazy. I gave the job my 100%, but I was just not suited for the task.
@MandrillManiac you might need a reality check. âNo one deserves to be firedâ is an absurd statement. Businesses need to be maintained, customers need good service, and employees need to push to do their best. If you arenât capable of contributing to that environment, then you deserve to be ejected from it.
Ask any boss, ask any disappointed customer, ask any good employee.
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You seem pretty bitter over a video game.Why stop with firing someone?How about a good old fashion beheading! Or death by stoning or firing squad!
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To be fair I am out of my elementâŠ
But to be fired over something like this?
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All of this firing nonsense is also suggesting that MS is unhappy with Miraâs Ultimate. My guess is if they were unhappy with it being in its current form they would have nipped it in the bud long before it ever reached the public. The fact that it is currently being shown is proof that MS/IG are content with the results. Now whether we are content with it is another story. My guess is most players arenât going to be going completely apesh*t over one Ultimate, especially considering itâs still in character for Mira even if the execution or direction arenât what we would have liked. They will likely just play the game and accept it the very, very small part of the game it is and continue playing.
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Okay, Iâm going to be as brutally honest as possible. This ultimate sucks, itâs incredibly clunky, simple and underwhelming. Does that mean itâs detrimental towards the outcome of the game? No, just my opinion from someone who already doesnât like Mira, seriously take it with a grain of salt.
Should someone be fired for it? No, that is absolutely absurd. Why? Because you need to take into account several factors for the outcome; budget, time management, subjectiveness and mistakes.
So if the same guy/gal who made Tuskâs ultimate made Miraâs, he/she deserves to be let go? No, thatâs silly and not how things work in a professional environment. I understand if you accidentally sent a shipment to the wrong address and cost the company an incredible profit loss and so on. But when itâs subjective and people already tend to complain about everything in this game, it shouldnât put someones position in jeopardy.
Anyway, just some food for thought. Either way, I enjoy the ultimates and appreciate their addition to the game. Do I like this one in particular? Nah, but thatâs just me, so take it as you will.
Dude, youâre arguing against something that is literally cost-free. This may apply well elsewhere, but not in itâs current context. Itâs like wanting someone fired at McDonalds because their free water cup didnât serve water cold enough or the cup wasnât the right size and so on.
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It just means it passed their approval. Doesnât mean itâs good.
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I was honestly hoping for something better, but I kinda like the spin and the off-camera bite. Sure, Mira bites are pretty normal and take off no damage, but this had a little more of an âendingâ feeling to it. That said, I still think itâs the worst so far, or maybe a slight notch above TJâs, but itâs especially disappointing for me, as Miraâs one of my favorites. Sheâs a vampire with a lot of moves, so it wouldâve been nice to see the dev teamâs imagination wander a bit more.
Still, and I donât mean to pile on, @ZDhome, but putting out something that a few people on a message board dislike shouldnât mean that someone deserves to lose their livelihood, especially when that âsomethingâ constitutes roughly .00001% of the actual game.
Also, how about we stop with the generalizing about what we perceive to be âtrendsâ or what âmost peopleâ agree on? All that ever usually amounts to is someone using anecdotal evidence from some majority thatâs concocted using questionable means to support whatever the arguers opinion is, as if throwing a lot of faceless, voiceless, near-imaginary people behind an opinion somehow lends it more value when all it usually has the opposite effect.
We know what we like and donât like and we know what a few people on a forum like and donât like and the same goes for social media, but even then, thatâs an exceedingly anecdotal method of trying to form some sort of mass consensus on anything to do with this game.
How about we just speak for ourselves and maybe respect the fact that other people might like certain things that we dislike, and that because of that, if for no other reason (which there are⊠several in fact), maybe we donât need to call for strangers to lose their source of income over subjective things like this, especially when we have no idea what else theyâve worked on in the game. For all we know, they couldâve done some amazing stuff and youâd want to can them for one misstep that may not even be a misstep to some people?
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