If youāre in a tournament and you get beat by someone who spammed the same unsafe moves then you probably werenāt ready for higher competitive matches to begin with.
In the UK he has mostly been legal in tournaments. He was legal in my tournament in Manchester as well as in tournaments in Nottingham and Kirkcaldy (Scotland). However as there were only a small amount of entrants who generally either were serious enough into the game to have Shago or NOT serious enough that they didnāt really have matchup experience for any character, it wasnāt really an issue. At the Nottingham tournament they actually had to switch the stream setup console out with another one which had Shago in it as the first one didnāt have Shago, not because the person hadnāt purchased him but because his original xbox one broke and the replacement COULDNāT download Shago as he has been removed from the xbox store (I may have got it wrong but the point remains he was unable to download him).
However this weekend I have been in London at another tournament (KI was yesterday, I came 2nd and Rimz won, only 7 entrants though ) and they actually banned Shago as most of the setups didnāt have him and anyone that wanted to use him would have to use a specific setup. One of my opponents had been practicing Shago instead of Jago in the run up to the tournament and so was a bit screwed. I mentioned to the TO that IG & MS have said to get in touch with Jebailey in situations like that but again the rarity of Shago has caused issues.
This has been a topic that has bugged me for awhile and I feel that not everyone being able to Shago is a big disadvantage.
In my honest opinion, either make him permantely available or ban him.
The fact that a lot of people canāt practice against him in training mode by learning how to fight him sucks for a lot of people and is completely unfair.
Yeah you can but what if they do something that you canāt figure out how to beat and you want to practice how to beat said thing in training. If you donāt have him, you are ā ā ā ā out of luckā¦
Those solutions arenāt the same as having the character yourself and being able to lab up setups in training mode (or play him against others so you can more easily figure out weaknesses).
If Shadow Jago isnāt made permanently available by the start of S3, I would also encourage TOs to ban the character, as sad as that is to say.
Iād request that people making counter-arguments bother to read the (currently very short) thread to find out where the debate has progressed to, lest they waste our time making a point which has already been debunked.
What if it turns out that Shago is the best character in the game, or really excels in certain matchups where your main suffers, but you canāt practice up with him because you never got a code? What if you have limited or no internet connection, so you canāt easily access Shago players? And can you really say that someoneās ability to lab up against Shago being constrained by the willingness of an exclusive club of Shago players to put time aside to help out is ideal, or even sufficient?
Update on this: Shadow Jago will be available in the store for $10 for a limited (? @rukizzel ) time starting on the 29th, probably with the KI Gold included with Shago the last time he went on sale.
The launch availability should help a lot of TOs and competitive players jumping on-board now get access to Shago, but itās not a long-term solution and eventually it will become a problem for some players. Thereās also the principle of the matter: even if every vaguely competitive player and event could be fixed up with Shago codes as needed, KI shouldnāt be playing any part in setting a precedent that exclusive characters in a fighting game are okay. Overall itās disappointing that Microsoft hasnāt done the right thing here and ended the exclusivity on Shadow Jago.
So I think TOs should probably start thinking about banning Shago from tournaments, if not right away (though thatād be preferred) then for all events subsequent to Shago once again being removed from the store.
Apparently the World Cup guys were having a discussion about Shagoās legality today. It sounded like heās gonna be banned, weāll probably hear about it in the next few days so that Shago players donāt sign up for the beatdown and learn heās banned last minute.
you are ignoring the fact that anyone that buys the game after he stops going on sale will not be able to practice as him. I think itās 100% wack that a char that not everyone has the opportunity to play is legal at tournaments. I say ban unless he is made consistently purchasable, on any day of the year.
Another limited availability release.
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Iām glad that I can actually get the character and break him down in practice, but thereās still no reason to allow a limited-availability character to be tournament legal because itās not guaranteed everyone else can do the same.
I understand itās up to the TOās, but I think it is a very dangerous precedent to break if they allow him. It would basically give game developers the ability to offer more characters as pre-order-only and special-edition-only without actually enduring the consequences of hurting the gameās competitive cred.
I think the main thing that kills me here is that this isnāt a budget limitation. I donāt see any reason why they canāt just put him in the store. Itās a self-imposed limitation. They are intentionally choosing for this aspect of their game to be bad, for (near as I can tell) literally no reason.
Itās easier to accept that some things in KI wonāt always be perfect, because theyāre a team clearly strapped for resources almost all the time. But this one is a philosophical difference and we donāt even know who we have to convince to get it changed.
Will tournament bans even do anything to help change the situation, I wonder? Or will they just say āif thatās how itās gotta be for you guys, then okayā and they keep him exclusive?
I donāt get it, man. Itās not a good look at all.
Fun fact: a good FG friend of mine bought KI on PC when S3 came out. I said the $50 supreme bundle was a fantastic deal and he should buy it. āIt gets you everythingā¦ except Shadow Jagoā I said. I then explained that Shago is a limited time thing. The very first thing he asked me was āoh, so heās banned at tournaments then, right?ā It was so clear to him that this situation is bad for tournaments, just as a person who plays a lot of FGs, that it was the first thing that came to his head. It wasnāt āis he cool?ā or āwhatās his moveset like?ā It was āthatās dumb, is he banned from tournaments?ā
Seeing Shago banned from tournaments really makes me less interested in joining one to be honest. Hereās hoping IG finally solves the issue and not dance around it.