I think training attadata(frame) is not working

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1

jago ↓↙← + lk (wink kick) hit advantage is 5.

but lk windkick after manual HP (start up 8) is hit.

i think lkwind kick-HP is 0f or 1f manual combo.

and

cinder ↓↙← + mp (fission) is hit adbanvage 5f.

mp fission - HK(11f) manual combo is possible.

and

full gore ↓↙← + lk - mp manual combo is possible.

this is frame bug? of attackdata error?

or hidden cancel system??

2

KI gives you five extra advantage frames if you cancel into a manual. So even though the frame advantage of Jago’s windkick is only 5, if you cancel into a manual you actually have 10 frames of advantage. Basically just add 5 frames of advantage to all your openers to see what manuals are actually possible.

3

Some moves don’t have additional cancel windows on season 2 & 3 characters (AFAIK all season 1 characters have them) but yeah that is exactly what you’re experiencing.

4

Some moves do. Example ARIA’s light SB won’t let you manual anything after it and light EA you can only manual a light after it with fairly strict timing. Kinda want that changed really.