I liked his gameplay
His design is not match the concept
Needs extra work
Especially his noise
His music was perfect from KI2
His intro
I would prefer if it includ an earthquake effect and then the camera is focused at his face while he getting down from above by his wings
The only real beef I have with Gargos is his intro quote. Aside from it being a over-over-overdone clicheā , itās kinda cornballā¦which is why I keep poping up the Zod reference so much lately. Does the whole astral plane have a kneeling/bowing fetish? Because so far itās only 2 residents are as much into kneeling as Orchid is into flushing.
Was there not something else bada$$ he could have said instead? I will give it credit, the delivery is good. But stillā¦
ā¦plus, something else doesnāt sit well with me about itā¦but itās ineffableā¦I canāt quite put my finger on itā¦
His new design is pretty good, great animation. Some of his accessories/color combinations with said accessories make his new look incredible, especially the wing variations!
His Retro would be good but sadly yet AGAIN IG screwed up the face. His nose is obnoxiously largeā¦like what are they trying to say with giving a demon a comically large noseā¦itās weird and instantly ruins the profile. Iāll never touch the retro.
I agree. This nose thing was very unnecessary. It completely ruins the profile for me as well.
It appears that the few younger people who said that the old Gargos didnāt have a nose, got their way.
Like if demons breathe oxygen or something.
Why does this keep happening?
Smells fishy to me.
If I were a conspiracy theorist, iād think that they purposely disrespect the retro costumes so that their new ones donāt have any competition.
This ānosyā Gargos isnāt Retro Gargos at all. He looks like a completely different character from some cheesy Hollywood film.
Please just bring back the Rare designs, pleaseā¦
Not, what you think the old characters should have looked like.
Thatās NOT Retro.
Thatās remodeled, or redone, or reimaginedā¦ whatever.
But it is NOT Retro.
We should have been more specific and asked for the Rare skins.
Itās for the older players. It wouldnāt bother younger players, they can use the official new designs.
To me, Gargos comes off a little too edgy and a little too tryhard. He doesnāt look threatening / majestic enough demand deification.
Shout out to whoever designed Gargosā minions, though. They look terrifying.
in my vision he would have been different: use more the fly thing, he should has been always floating into the air near the ground and not walk but fly back and forward (which does not mean that it is immune from down hits like footboards). he would has been the only one with these skills, now there wonāt be anyone who can fly like him. this is a lost train, and portal moves arenāt that exciting by the way. good the retro design even if, as always, only mods will fill the gap.
really hoping that with eyedol they will valorize his main peculiarity, the duality.
After they finish all of these āClassicā or āRetroā costumes, as they like to call / market them, maybe they can start to bring back the Rare skins that all of the older players keep asking for.
The irony.
Maybe iāll start another ācontroversialā topic on bringing back the Rare skins.
In this world, if you donāt ask for exactly what you want, you end up with some gimmick or the other, guaranteedā¦
If you want something done properly, either do it yourself, or make sure you specify exactly what you want.
I donāt know about you guys but I see a big nose.
Whan I look at the retro, it has a big nose.
So what? Iād say the big nose makes him look like a gargoyle.
Lol how are we looking at the same image??
His retro nose is easily twice as big as it was in KI2ā¦maybe even triple the sizeā¦it looks ridiculous.
His jaw got shrunk and his ears got biggerā¦its like IG was intentionally trying to make him look goofy. Youād think they were aiming for another ājoke characterā then serious retro lookā¦
I agree with you WheresAARon, that guy just canāt see how Gargosās face has been changed and is now mis-proportioned.
He is unable to see it.
That sets us and him apart, thatās all.
Anyway, the new Gargos face looks pitiful, compared to the cool looking original, even though itās decades later, and a much higher resolution.
The problem may be that the graphics engine that Killer Instinct runs on isnāt as high-quality as the older K.I. 2 graphics engine.
Corners were cut somewhere for sure, this isnāt a Rare production.
That old engnie allowed Rare to do what they wanted to do in design. This new engine, itās probably some engine used in other games, and it isnāt specific to Killer Instinct, and they have to do alot of work-arounds to portray the characters to be what they are supposed to be.
Rent-An-Engine VS Built To Perform I guessā¦ there is simply no comparison.
Retro Tuskās face looks like he was born with a slight disability. No disrespect to anyone.
I am get into so much ātroubleā here!
He looks great. And he has no problem with those big ā ā ā wings, so why canāt Omen have his out at all times too? Heād look less lame.
swords I agree at that angle his nose looks really odd more like a garden nombe or something.
Iād have made it flatter lol.
His forehead is a bit large tooā¦
Still tho I think he looks awesome and I like his retro.
There is something missing from this season I do agreeā¦
Rares models were so good and are being overlooked masively.
Mayas original design was a bit awful BUT the rest of the cast looked awesome in ki 1 and 2
Ive loved most of IGS updated models but some things have been well off. Considering the Base marital is so strong for this game Iām really not sure whatās being lost in translation.
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Everyone views the same thing different donāt get all knotted in your nethers because of differing opinons :>
Gargos did kinda have a good sized nose, I think the reason it looks bigger is because his chin I think is a little small. Not like thatās something Iām going to be worried about when Iām kicking his ā ā ā . (or getting my ā ā ā kicked?)
personally aside from maybe being a bit skinny for a retro look, Gargosā retro looks pretty close t the original. Albeit this time with bigger wings.
Even if he doesnāt look 100% like the retro one thing or another you folks really should of started seeing this coming and gotten use to this by now. Not all the retros will be 100% like the originals.
Some of the retros for whatever the reason either look off because of the way the bone rig on the new design models of characters, or just something else entirely.
I will agree that while the KI models where very disproportionate (IE Sabrewulf and Combo had super thin waists) the character designs were still pretty good and alot of fun. Just as the new designs are pretty cool in their own right. In my opinion anyway.
I personally feel like there is alot missing in season3 myself but it has more to do with no Ultimates and in my case whatās far less concerning for me, only three stages as it stands for this season.
If we do get a season 4 Iād like it to be additional stages for the characters that donāt have one, along with Ultimates for every member of the cast.
Always amazed at how much people complain about things. Old Gargos was a pretty crappy design, but whatever, I guess the people want what they want. *shrug *
As a general note though, KIās engine (the Hex Engine) was designed from the ground up for KI by Double Helix. It isnāt a rent-an-engine, and it is orders of magnitude more powerful than what Rare was working with in the 90ās. Your issues with the retro are design/artistic issues, not a result of sub-par processing power or any other such thing.
Some of the changes was caused by the bone rigging to.
Welp.
I voted mostly greats across the board , but I feel like he sum of Gargos is even greater than his parts and consider him a brilliant character design. At least for now.
I say for now because until heās released into the wild itās hard to know how he will flesh out.
That said though, his moveset is extremely interesting and from what Iāve seen there isnāt going to be a ārightā way to play him. It will be up to the individual to decide just how heās played. The oddball combination of air, long range and point blank ability should leave a billion options open for players to make him thier own.
To me, the pinnacle of good character design is making a character with multiple successful approaches. That doesnāt mean multiple styles exactly, you arenāt going to play a long range zoning version of TJ for example, but in the case of TJ, heās a rushdown/mixup archetype with a fluidity to his moves that let a player express themselves and make their TJ thier own character. Gargos at first glance, will seriously personify this. Iād expect to see 11 different high level Gargosās played in 11 distinct high level styles. THATāS why I think heās one of the most interesting characters Iāve seen in any fighting game in a long time.
Killer Instinct does this very well across much of its cast. The character design is very freeform. The game systems help with this of course, but still. This has always been my issue with SFV actually. The game is competitively amazing and the game itself is great all around but its definitely not a means to express yourself through your character. Each character has essentially one BnB with one or two variations based on if it was opened with a crush counter or something else, and if you have/want to spend meter to Ex, or link a super. So when I play (or watch) another Nash, all Iām seeing is someone who is better or worse at essentially the same hit confirms, frame trap(s) and BnBsā¦ Dhalsim, despite whoās playing him, does the exact same thing. One player may do it more often and be busier, but its still the same. In KI when I watch multiple Jago matches, there is a very distinct difference between Thompsonās, Ricoās, Shonyruās, Daytonās, and on and on. Yet despite being very different, they are all very dangerous and very good.
Just for good measure, I mention that not to start a ā ā ā ā -fit or because I think SFV is bad or blah blah. Its a great game and Iām not saying otherwise, even in the slightest, I am simply using it as a counterpoint to the freeform-fluidity that makes KIās characters stand out so much to me, especially Gargos. Also Im bored and have a splitting headache and typing this all up has been cathartic and pleasant.
I agree with all of that 
Only thing Iām not a fan of is his ultra.
I was hoping for him to grab and hold the opponents head and slam them repeatedly on the floor to the music. Similar to Orochi Yashiroās multi-slam super in King of Fighters 2002 UM