Recently began to play KI in my computer (Im a noob). I am eager to learn and improve. I get the intention of the combo assist but I would prefer to learn to play without it. The thing is, it is also allowed online and I few that in this case I have a competitive disadvantage compared to my opponents, mostly in the normals > cancel > openers part.
I find it unfair to see one guy level up in ranking given that he has ANY sort of help that I dont have. I know that being I better player means dealing with that, but I am also strongly tempted to turn it on too… and that is a very bad feeling.
Feedback: Honestly I am not against the game having the helper option. And I love to see the community grow with casual players.
Suggestion: Motivate the player to LEAVE the assisted combo system… Option: Have the assisters carrying a TAG in their battletag saying that they are on assists. Option: create a lower level learning league just for starters (I would also love it), or offer the option to disable it progressively as the player levels up or goes from bronze to silver…
Actually, there is a disadvantage. If you use combo assist, you can only use it to performs two enders. So for example Jago never gets his damage ender.
I’ve been playing KI since release, and IF I could continue to play at this level with Combo Assist, than I would.
If Double Helix could have made the game such that it worked 100% with CAM controls, then they would have been the default controls. We would not be using QCFs and BFs for linkers if there was a way to accommodate the linker variety. We have linker motions because there’s otherwise not enough buttons on the controller to have a means to access all your linker options.
Buddy, there’s no real advantage. What CAM is doing is letting you forget about your inputs and focus on the other aspects of the game outside of a combo. I’d suggest you ignore it, focus on your breaking, footsies and neutral game.
Its not an open complain though, its just my impression as new player, a feedback to the dev team and a few suggestions on how to make it more interesting.
I am having some issues myself and I am totally turning some assists on mostly on openers to see how the “AI” behaves on canceling normals into linkers…
I am firmly opposed to this. You’re thinking of beginner players gaining an unfair advantage over other beginner players by using combo assist, but you neglect to think of players with disabilities, who might never be well-served migrating off of combo assist, and certainly shouldn’t be “motivated” to. If someone with a disability who can’t play at all without combo assist can take KI World Cup with combo assist switched on, then you’ll see me applauding that person.
Your need to feel like other players aren’t getting a leg-up on you because they don’t have some superfluous extra execution to worry about is easily trumped by the needs of those with disabilities. Luckily that extra execution is still very simple when viewed in context.
Input your cancels before the move hits. You generally can’t cancel into a special move during the recovery of a normal.
If you’re getting lost in the “body” of a combo (losing track of whether you’re up to an auto double or a linker), that’s pretty normal for a beginner, and combo assist users are likely going through the same thing – unless they’re mashing, but then again you can just mash quarter-circles and buttons too if you like.
Thats incorrect… you can do everything… but you can only do two enders via short cut inputs. You are not limited on any moves.
I think what he is thinking is there are players that can do all enders and all inputs but they use CA to ensure they never drop a combo. they never drop an ultra ect..
Well that may seem silly to you because you are advanced enough that this doesnt happen to you. But to someone that is new… it happens and they just arent there yet with mastering every input. So they feel at a disadvantage.
Eventually he will get over it and get good enough to were it doesnt matter…but for now.. thats what new players see and perception is reality.
I would like to learn without assists, and playing against opponents of the same level with assists enabled is frustrating, sometime you lose a match and the other player is in danger… and you just think, Ok perhaps if I had assists on I could have got another opener right and won the match… but I lost.
Here is the thing. If you lost to someone who is using CA because you missed your execution,you can work on your execution. Losing is fine. Plus what help does the opponent have that you don’t have? CA doesn’t give anyone an unfair advantgage. It only helps them play. Learning to lose properly is an important part of the game. If you lose and think that you would’ve won if you have combo assist,you truly lost. Plus how do you know they use CA? Instead,just try to figure out where you messed up and improve from there.
@PeterThorun Here is what I suggest. Dont listen to anyone discrediting what your experience is. They are right in what they are saying but from a more advanced point of view.
Use Combo assist for a week. I promise you will turn it off by the end of the week and you wont like it. If you do end up liking it… good for you…use it! No one is going to criticize you for it. Why? Because no one can tell if you are using it or not. Just like you cant tell if your online opponent is using it either.
When playing your main character… dont use it… when you try out a new character…use it until you feel more comfortable with their play style.
But like i said no one cares if you use it or not… and you cant be 100% sure if your opponent is using it either. And if they are and they beat you.. well.. they were the better player in that match.
Not one person I have ever seen has used combo assist in a major tournament either. that alone tells you it isnt an advantage. If it was an advantage, they would be using it.
In time you will be so good at your inputs you will think combo assist is a nuisance instead of an advantage.
Good luck… if you need any help or tips just ask.
It will cancel normals into openers if you hold forward while pressing the normal. To get combo traits, hold back within the combo and press your buttons.
One legitimate disadvantage of using CAM though is that it makes certain kinds of resets much harder to do/less effective, and also mucks up juggles a lot of the time.